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Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« on: November 02, 2016, 06:21:37 AM »
Heard the reports on Fox news this morning. Only details are two cops murdered in ambushes.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2016, 07:29:50 AM »
Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, a state trooper shoots his AR15 through his own windshield while driving.  And just for good measure he goes happy-switch on the bad guy.

Dash cam and helicopter video is available.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2016, 08:10:14 AM »

Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, a state trooper shoots his AR15 through his own windshield while driving.  And just for good measure he goes happy-switch on the bad guy.

Dash cam and helicopter video is available.

If you're talking about this one then I've got to side with the OHP.
That dirtbag deserved worse than what he got.

http://www.newson6.com/story/33563755/oklahoma-highway-patrol-holds-news-conference-on-michael-vance-shootout
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2016, 08:14:19 AM »
I have a feeling this going to lead to some rough times in the next couple months.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2016, 08:26:02 AM »
I'm pleasantly surprised that we haven't seen more ambush style attacks on cops.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2016, 08:44:03 AM »
If you're talking about this one then I've got to side with the OHP.
That dirtbag deserved worse than what he got.

http://www.newson6.com/story/33563755/oklahoma-highway-patrol-holds-news-conference-on-michael-vance-shootout

I agree it was a good shoot, but I'm surprised it happened.  It seems many PDs are becoming too scared of lawsuits to use force except as a last choice solution.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2016, 08:44:45 AM »
It was a white guy so no worries.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2016, 09:09:04 AM »
It was a white guy so no worries.


Unless the cops were non white.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2016, 09:50:11 AM »
Meanwhile, in Oklahoma, a state trooper shoots his AR15 through his own windshield while driving.  And just for good measure he goes happy-switch on the bad guy.

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As the chase moved along a rural road in Custer County, you can see, in the video, bullets bouncing off the back of Vance's truck.

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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2016, 09:55:43 AM »
I want one of those bulletproof trucks.

You'd have to spend more than $500 on it.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2016, 10:18:05 AM »
This is not a statement in support of killing police officers, but this may be part of the problem:

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“We’re very well aware of the society that we’re living in right now and the time,” he said. “And that there are some not-so-positive views of law enforcement that a segment of our population holds.”

“If we don’t provide the service in the area that we do, with the personal-type service that we do, we’re nothing more than an occupying army,” he said.

Sergeant Parizek said, “We’re going to do what we can to keep ourselves safe” adding that the police would continue to “answer the call” as expected.

I wonder where we could start looking for the cause of those "not-so-positive views of law enforcement" ...

Obviously, police officers have a right to defend themselves -- the same right that ALL citizens have. The problem is that some officers extrapolate from that to the point that they believe anything they do is justified if it means they get to go home at the end of their shift. And that leads to cops harassing people who shouldn't be harassed, cops beating people who shouldn't be beaten, cops shooting people who shouldn't be shot, and cops killing people who shouldn't be killed. It won't get better until law enforcement starts cleaning up its own house.

I don't know about Des Moines but, in some communities (unfortunately), answering the call "as expected" equates to an expectation of jack-booted thuggery. Therein lies the problem.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2016, 10:19:49 AM »
You'd have to spend more than $500 on it.

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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2016, 10:39:45 AM »
Suspect has been found and arrested.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2016, 11:12:10 AM »
You'd have to spend more than $500 on it.

Nah, just a couple hundred extra in metal plate.

Probably makes the gas mileage suck, though.  Maybe I could use Bondo to layer on a bunch of Spectrafiber cloth.

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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 03:19:12 PM »
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Nah, just a couple hundred extra in metal plate.

Probably makes the gas mileage suck, though.  Maybe I could use Bondo to layer on a bunch of Spectrafiber cloth.


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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 03:48:54 PM »
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 04:17:04 PM »
Suspect is a rebel flag waving mouth breather racist. Deceased cops were white.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 06:03:42 PM »
Suspect is a rebel flag waving mouth breather racist. Deceased cops were white.


Then we needz more gun controlz, naturally. And can we start rounding up anyone with a Confederate flag?
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2016, 06:20:05 PM »
This is not a statement in support of killing police officers, but this may be part of the problem:

I wonder where we could start looking for the cause of those "not-so-positive views of law enforcement" ...

Obviously, police officers have a right to defend themselves -- the same right that ALL citizens have. The problem is that some officers extrapolate from that to the point that they believe anything they do is justified if it means they get to go home at the end of their shift. And that leads to cops harassing people who shouldn't be harassed, cops beating people who shouldn't be beaten, cops shooting people who shouldn't be shot, and cops killing people who shouldn't be killed. It won't get better until law enforcement starts cleaning up its own house.

I don't know about Des Moines but, in some communities (unfortunately), answering the call "as expected" equates to an expectation of jack-booted thuggery. Therein lies the problem.
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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2016, 06:23:29 PM »
Suspect is a rebel flag waving mouth breather racist. Deceased cops were white.

I'm sure he would have shot a black cop if they'd sent one.  Can't assume everything is racially motivated.

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Re: Two cops ambushed and murdered outside Des Moines
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2016, 06:23:47 PM »
Haven't seen weapon listed yet but they said 15-30 rounds fired at one officer.
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