Slager trial

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

It's gonna be interesting no matter how it goes. Surprised only one but they saw and heard more than me. Strong appeals groundwork laid though so it could go on for a while

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/michael-slager-trial-jury-deadlock-walter-scott-case/?client=ms-android-att-us

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[De Selby]

The video makes out an indefensible case.  If the jury hangs because of one fool, they'll retry him and have a conviction.

He carefully took aim and shot a running man in the back.  He's not going home any time soon.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The video makes out an indefensible case.  If the jury hangs because of one fool, they'll retry him and have a conviction.

He carefully took aim and shot a running man in the back.  He's not going home any time soon.

He's home now
In real life I mean not in your world

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[Scout26]

He's home now
In real life I mean not in your world

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Out on bail is not the same as being found not guilty.  

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

He's home with his new born. Not in a cell. My experience is different than yours but I would call that home.

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[Hawkmoon]

That video is pretty hard to refute. I'm more than a little surprised the one hold-out juror wouldn't even go for the manslaughter charge.

There will almost certainly be another trial. Slager would, IMHO, be smart to take a plea on the manslaughter charge, because there's a good chance the next jury will convict him of murder.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

That video is pretty hard to refute. I'm more than a little surprised the one hold-out juror wouldn't even go for the manslaughter charge.

There will almost certainly be another trial. Slager would, IMHO, be smart to take a plea on the manslaughter charge, because there's a good chance the next jury will convict him of murder.

Beyond the video how much are you familiar with?


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[zxcvbob]

That video is pretty hard to refute. I'm more than a little surprised the one hold-out juror wouldn't even go for the manslaughter charge.

There will almost certainly be another trial. Slager would, IMHO, be smart to take a plea on the manslaughter charge, because there's a good chance the next jury will convict him of murder.

Maybe he won't make it to a second trial. 

[Jocassee]

At the risk of being cliche, the video misleading.

Keep in mind the video is the very tail end of a minute-long fight during which the black man tased the cop.

[zxcvbob]

At the risk of being cliche, the video misleading.

Keep in mind the video is the very tail end of a minute-long fight during which the black man tased the cop.

Of course the video is misleading and doesn't show what happened before.  But does that matter?  I'm serious.  It shows the cop shooting a man in the back as he runs away, then he walk out-of-frame back towards his patrol car and comes back and drops something (presumably the Taser) next to the body.  

The part that we are missing is the fight beforehand, which if it really took place might make Slager really pissed and want to kill Scott because he obviously deserves it.  Or else there was no fight and Slager murdered Scott for some other reason (because he's black?)  It's a lot easier for me to believe race had little to do with it, and Slager murdered Scott out of rage -- and because he knew he'd get away with it cuz he's a cop and knows how to lie.




eta:  no real need to use that word...

[Hawkmoon]

Beyond the video how much are you familiar with?

Nothing.

[De Selby]

At the risk of being cliche, the video misleading.

Keep in mind the video is the very tail end of a minute-long fight during which the black man tased the cop.

Uh, what circumstances could even in theory justify the shooting on the video?

Then there was the part where he so obviously lied about what happened that the investigators were scratching their heads at the scene.

[MechAg94]

Of course the video is misleading and doesn't show what happened before.  But does that matter?  I'm serious.  It shows the cop shooting a man in the back as he runs away, then he walk out-of-frame back towards his patrol car and comes back and drops something (presumably the Taser) next to the body.  

The part that we are missing is the fight beforehand, which if it really took place might make Slager really pissed and want to kill Scott because he obviously deserves it.  Or else there was no fight and Slager murdered Scott for some other reason (because he's a *let's not go there*?)  It's a lot easier for me to believe race had little to do with it, and Slager murdered Scott out of rage -- and because he knew he'd get away with it cuz he's a cop and knows how to lie.

Are you in favor of convicting a man based on your suspicions?  

I would be curious what the testimony was of the guy who took the video.  What did he see before that?  I don't think you can look at the one moment in isolation.

[Scout26]

As I've pointed out before, once Scott breaks contact and begins to run away, he is unarmed and not a threat to anyone in the immediate vicinity.

Yes, he may have just fought with a cop for a minute or more.  But you can't use deadly force on someone, anyone, no longer an immediate threat.

That's why you have Motorola.



The bad thing is that crap like this just encourages people to resist even more.  Once the officer says "you're under arrest", then it's game over.  Shut up and cooperate.  As our resident tilecrawlers will tell everyone; Argue in court, not on the street.  It's hard to beat the rap if you are dead.

[zxcvbob]

Are you in favor of convicting a man based on your suspicions?  

I would be curious what the testimony was of the guy who took the video.  What did he see before that?  I don't think you can look at the one moment in isolation.

That moment in isolation is so crystal clear, what happened before is irrelevant -- as are my suspicions.  There was no possible justification for the shooting.  And Slager knew it; that's why he planted evidence at the scene and lied about it.

Maybe it's time to up the ante.  The feds could try him for deprivation of civil rights under color of law and seek the death penalty. 

[MechAg94]

That moment in isolation is so crystal clear, what happened before is irrelevant -- as are my suspicions.  There was no possible justification for the shooting.  And Slager knew it; that's why he planted evidence at the scene and lied about it.

Maybe it's time to up the ante.  The feds could try him for deprivation of civil rights under color of law and seek the death penalty.  

Do you have a link for him being a racist who wanted to kill black people?  That is your suspicion that I was referring to.  I guess simply shooting a fleeing criminal isn't bad enough?

[MechAg94]

As I've pointed out before, once Scott breaks contact and begins to run away, he is unarmed and not a threat to anyone in the immediate vicinity.

Yes, he may have just fought with a cop for a minute or more.  But you can't use deadly force on someone, anyone, no longer an immediate threat.

That's why you have Motorola.



The bad thing is that crap like this just encourages people to resist even more.  Once the officer says "you're under arrest", then it's game over.  Shut up and cooperate.  As our resident tilecrawlers will tell everyone; Argue in court, not on the street.  It's hard to beat the rap if you are dead.

He ran from the cops and apparently fought with the cop before this shooting ever happened.  He was apparently willing to resist already.  If anything it would encourage others to risk the arrest instead of fighting. 

What is the local law about cops shooting fleeing suspects?  Are there circumstances where it is allowed?

[zxcvbob]

Do you have a link for him being a racist who wanted to kill black people?  That is your suspicion that I was referring to.  I guess simply shooting a fleeing criminal isn't bad enough?

  I said that's one possibility but I doubted it.

[MechAg94]

  I said that's one possibility but I doubted it.

I looked at your post again and I don't see that.  You just brought up every scenario for why he is a murderer.  What exactly were you trying to say?

[zxcvbob]

I looked at your post again and I don't see that.  You just brought up every scenario for why he is a murderer.  What exactly were you trying to say?

I was trying to say there are several possible scenarios before the video started, some worse than others, and none of them justify the shooting.  Obviously I said it poorly.

[MechAg94]

Might have been me.  

That last was why I was curious about the law and what circumstances would a police officer in that state be allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect.  Could he have articulated that sort defense?  Of course, 11 jurors didn't think so and I don't why the 12th made the decision they did.  Could have been any number of reasons, many of which are not necessarily bad.  

[Firethorn]

At the risk of being cliche, the video misleading.

Keep in mind the video is the very tail end of a minute-long fight during which the black man tased the cop.

Citation on the taser claim?  The worst I've heard is that he grabbed the taser, not that he managed to use it on Slager.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

As I've pointed out before, once Scott breaks contact and begins to run away, he is unarmed and not a threat to anyone in the immediate vicinity.

Yes, he may have just fought with a cop for a minute or more.  But you can't use deadly force on someone, anyone, no longer an immediate threat.

That's why you have Motorola.



The bad thing is that crap like this just encourages people to resist even more.  Once the officer says "you're under arrest", then it's game over.  Shut up and cooperate.  As our resident tilecrawlers will tell everyone; Argue in court, not on the street.  It's hard to beat the rap if you are dead.

What we think is not what matters.  It's the cops perception based on what he believes at that time that counts. And ironically the prosecution provided some of the best evidence to support slager.
His perception of Scott's threat to him is different than someone watching a video

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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Citation on the taser claim?  The worst I've heard is that he grabbed the taser, not that he managed to use it on Slager.

Burns on slayers clothes from tazer

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/taser-almost-certainly-caused-burns-on-michael-slager-s-uniform/article_3d10a08e-af9b-11e6-854c-174c200ca7a0.html
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[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Here's a link with others embedded that give some info
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/11/29/us/michael-slager-murder-trial-walter-scott/index.html?client=ms-android-att-us

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