Cheater? Or just unintended consequences?

[Hawkmoon]

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/hurst-euless-bedford_news/article134761654.html

Or both?

Female-by-birth, high school student who self-identifies as male has been taking testosterone for gender transition. This person happens to be a wrestler. Texas high school rules classify gender based on birth certificate (what a novel concept!), so he/she/it has to compete as a female, against female opponents -- even though he/she/it has been taking testosterone.

Obviously not fair to the opponents, who were overwhelmed. But ... what is fair? A big part of me supports the notion that if he/she/it has not undergone gender reassignment surgery, he/she/it is still a she and should compete as a she. But not if he/she/it is receiving hormones that give a definite advantage.

 

[MechAg94]

So she was essentially taking a form of steroids.  But because it was part of this entire political mess and administrators are cowards, she still competes. 

[Monkeyleg]

Perhaps this guy can 'splain it to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxRve2V6QS0

[MillCreek]

Haven't the Olympics already come up with a mechanism to deal with these cases?  If so, you could probably do worse than follow that lead.

[Hawkmoon]

Perhaps this guy can 'splain it to you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxRve2V6QS0

I couldn't get past the halfway mark in the video -- the guy's bouncing up and down in his chair made me want to reach through the screen and choke the living [bleep] out of him.

[BobR]

I saw a blurb on this the other day, in Texas the steroid use is allowed because it is being administered as part of a medical treatment. Or so they say. She still needs to go pick on guys her own size. ;(

bob

[230RN]

I see what you did there.

[Jamisjockey]

So she was essentially taking a form of steroids.  But because it was part of this entire political mess and administrators are cowards, she still competes. 

This right here.  I can't wait till "it" switches to men and gets it's ass kicked on the mat.

[gunsmith]

ok, I've read the whole thread and now I'm even more confused.
but to mess with this stuff in high school is a real waste of teen angst, in the good old days kids wore black and carried a copy of Catcher In The Rye with them everywhere.   

[Viking]

I saw a blurb on this the other day, in Texas the steroid use is allowed because it is being administered as part of a medical treatment. Or so they say. She still needs to go pick on guys her own size. ;(

bob

I identify as swole. Can I also get testosterone to ensure that my body matches my bodily identity?

[MechAg94]

ok, I've read the whole thread and now I'm even more confused.
but to mess with this stuff in high school is a real waste of teen angst, in the good old days kids wore black and carried a copy of Catcher In The Rye with them everywhere.   

At one time, it was considered almost normal to be a bit confused as a teenager.  Now days they let the confusion rule such that it will affect them their entire life.  It makes little sense to me for kids to do this at that age.  Even 18 is too early. 

[Scout26]

Tucker Carlson Destroys Liberal On Transgender Bathroom And Pick Your Own Gender Issues Fox News :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxRve2V6QS0

[BobR]

Still looks like a girl to me in this picture, maybe a confused girl but still a girl. Maybe she just needs a Subaru and comfortable shoes.


Yes, I have a front row seat on the bus.     

bob

[wmenorr67]

But ... what is fair?

Salesman here at work put it perfectly the other day.  Fair is an event/place you attend.

[makattak]

Still looks like a girl to me in this picture, maybe a confused girl but still a girl. Maybe she just needs a Subaru and comfortable shoes.


Yes, I have a front row seat on the bus.     

bob

That would be because she's a girl taking testosterone. Think East German Olympic team.

[Monkeyleg]

I'm actually getting confused by all of these stories, as in, "is it a real boy who thinks he's a girl who wants to be on the girl's team, or a real girl who thinks she's a boy who wants to be on the girl's team, or a real boy who thinks he's a girl who wants to be on the boy's team, or a real girl who thinks she's a goy who wants to be on the girl's team".

Maybe they should just say screw it and have teams made up of all sexes. Or would that be offensive to hermaphrodites and eunuchs? 

[Angel Eyes]

or a real girl who thinks she's a goy

Let's not bring religion into it.

[shellyd]

She is cheating.

[makattak]

I'm actually getting confused by all of these stories, as in, "is it a real boy who thinks he's a girl who wants to be on the girl's team, or a real girl who thinks she's a boy who wants to be on the girl's team, or a real boy who thinks he's a girl who wants to be on the boy's team, or a real girl who thinks she's a goy who wants to be on the girl's team".

Maybe they should just say screw it and have teams made up of all sexes. Or would that be offensive to hermaphrodites and eunuchs? 

That's why I always try to translate from Newspeak into English when commenting.

Trans-boy means she is a girl. They specifically avoid using her actual sex.

Once you understand the purpose,  it's easier to decode.

[Monkeyleg]

That's why I always try to translate from Newspeak into English when commenting.

Trans-boy means she is a girl. They specifically avoid using her actual sex.

Once you understand the purpose,  it's easier to decode.

The purpose has nothing to do with the sex of these people, or their chosen sex. It has to do with dividing the country into groups that can be played against each other for political gain.

[Perd Hapley]

The purpose has nothing to do with the sex of these people, or their chosen sex. It has to do with dividing the country into groups that can be played against each other for political gain.

Quite so. Part of that is identity/grievance politics. The other part is wrecking the family, to encourage poverty and dependence. It keeps us more connected to government than to each other.

[makattak]

Quite so. Part of that is identity/grievance politics. The other part is wrecking the family, to encourage poverty and dependence. It keeps us more connected to government than to each other.

Interesting that in the Soviet Union, the leftist took tyrannical power and used it to crush the family and all other mitigating agents between the individual and the state.

In the U.S. they seem determined to crush the family and mitigating agents in pursuit of tyrannical power.

I wonder if this is due to the greater strength of American civil society or to the tendency of the eastern civilizations towards despots? (I realize this is not an either/or question and there are more possible answers than those two, in addition to "both" being a possible answer.)

[Monkeyleg]

Interesting that in the Soviet Union, the leftist took tyrannical power and used it to crush the family and all other mitigating agents between the individual and the state.

In the U.S. they seem determined to crush the family and mitigating agents in pursuit of tyrannical power.

I wonder if this is due to the greater strength of American civil society or to the tendency of the eastern civilizations towards despots? (I realize this is not an either/or question and there are more possible answers than those two, in addition to "both" being a possible answer.)

The Russians/Soviets seem to historically have been incapable of a representative democracy. They've been ruled by monarchs, tyrants, or a combination. They already had the tyranny, but had to break the family. Here, the family has to be broken first in order to pave the way to total dependency on government, and then the tyranny that can follow.