Author Topic: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school  (Read 3900 times)

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Re: San Bernardino Redux
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2017, 12:15:12 PM »
So do they restrict entry into the school?  Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering?  Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out.  If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works. 

Read that he checked into the office with his ID and they allowed him to go to his wife's classroom on his own. 
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Re: San Bernardino Redux
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2017, 02:32:59 PM »
So do they restrict entry into the school?  Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering?  Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out.  If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works. 

For years, I have been going into the schools where my wife works, during the school day.  At the local schools, all the doors are locked to exterior access except for the entry doors into the school office.  You stop and sign in, and if you are a relative of one of the teachers or staff, the school secretary or whomever just waves at you and tells you to go on back to the classroom.  I think they may do a more thorough check if they don't recognize the visitor. 
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Re: San Bernardino Redux
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2017, 02:42:05 PM »
For years, I have been going into the schools where my wife works, during the school day.  At the local schools, all the doors are locked to exterior access except for the entry doors into the school office.  You stop and sign in, and if you are a relative of one of the teachers or staff, the school secretary or whomever just waves at you and tells you to go on back to the classroom.  I think they may do a more thorough check if they don't recognize the visitor. 


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Re: San Bernardino Redux
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2017, 12:58:42 AM »
So do they restrict entry into the school?  Did the guy have to check in with anyone before entering?  Lock downs might work if you can reasonably expect to keep the potential attacker out.  If the attacker is already inside, I am not sure how well that works. 

A lockdown means each teacher closes and locks the door to each classroom. Of course, the way most classroom doors are arranged and the way classroom locks work, this typically requires each teacher to step out into the corridor with the key in order to lock the door before pulling it closed. Tough assignment if the shooter is in your corridor ...

Newer schools are getting different hardware (including electronic locks that can all be secured by the push of a button in the main office -- unless, of course, the folks in the main office are already dead -- like at Sandy Hook), but there must be tens or hundreds of thousands of schools across the country with the old style locks, and no money to replace them.
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2017, 08:30:22 AM »
So, what's the final tally according to the anti-gun groups?

This was actually:

127 school shootings?

978 chillruns (chillruns  are anywhere from 0 to 127 years of age) were killed?

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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2017, 01:22:43 PM »
Technically (according to FBI guidelines) this incident didn't kill enough people to be considered a "mass" shooting.

Which means I don't know if I should add it to my spreadsheet or not. I think I should, because I'm tracking such incidents to better document that "No guns allowed" laws and rules are ineffective in preventing shootings. (Note, please, that I did not refer to such incidents as "gun violence.")
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2017, 01:57:45 PM »
Maybe add it with an *
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2017, 08:24:06 PM »
Maybe add it with an *

I added it.

No asterisk. *expletive deleted*ck the FBI and their definition. The incident took place inside a school, which is legally a gun-free zone, yet a teacher and a student were killed and another student seriously wounded. More proof that anti-gun laws don't work.
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2017, 09:46:15 PM »
Technically (according to FBI guidelines) this incident didn't kill enough people to be considered a "mass" shooting.

Which means I don't know if I should add it to my spreadsheet or not. I think I should, because I'm tracking such incidents to better document that "No guns allowed" laws and rules are ineffective in preventing shootings. (Note, please, that I did not refer to such incidents as "gun violence.")

What's the official number used for "mass" shooting?
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2017, 10:05:36 PM »
It's low and most of them are domestic.
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2017, 11:43:56 PM »
What's the official number used for "mass" shooting?

Four victim fatalities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_murder

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The FBI defines mass murder as murdering four or more persons during an event with no "cooling-off period" between the murders. A mass murder typically occurs in a single location where one or more people kill several others.

And in looking that up I stumbled across another incident that I classify as a mass shooting, even if the FBI doesn't: July 23, 2015, Grand Theater 16 in Lafayette, Louisiana.  Two killed, nine wounded.. Yes, the theater was posted as a gun-free zone.

A good article here: http://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/more-misleading-information-from-bloombergs-everytown-for-gun-safety-on-guns-analysis-of-recent-mass-shootings/
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 12:06:55 PM »
Perhaps separate columns for actual (>4 dead) mass shootings and and "attempted" (<4 dead) mass shootings and whether or not the attempted was stopped by and armed responder.  Along with whether it was LE or a CCW type.
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2017, 04:38:46 PM »
Perhaps separate columns for actual (>4 dead) mass shootings and and "attempted" (<4 dead) mass shootings and whether or not the attempted was stopped by and armed responder.  Along with whether it was LE or a CCW type.

What if the number of dead == 4?
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Re: Shooting at San Bernardino, CA elementary school
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2017, 06:11:29 PM »
What if the number of dead == 4?


Mass Shooting.  Sorry should be >=.
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