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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2017, 06:54:23 PM »
So I've been seeing a lot of complaints about Comey stepping outside his authority in not recommending charges
But didn't Lynch ask him to do exactly that? She punted to him.

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Attorney General Loretta Lynch says she will accept whatever recommendations FBI investigators and career prosecutors make about the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.
His decision to NOT recommend prosecution, while it was the wrong decision, it seems like Lynch gave it to him to make. He was on the hook, and at that point unless he said to charge her it wasn't going to happen. Is it just that he called a press conference and talked way too much about how guilty Clinton was?

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That's not his decision to make.  The FBI investigates.  Period. End. Full Stop.  Once that investigation is complete, they turn everything they have over to the Prosecutors (in this case, "Career Prosecutors) who then make the decision(s) as to what and whom to charge based on the evidence uncovered in the investigation.  (Normally those are the elements of the crime, and in this case Mens Rea was not a requirement in the statute.)   Comey usurped the proper roles and functions of his position, the FBI and the DOJ when he held his press conference.  The best way to have resolved this would have been in a court of law, not at a press conference where he basically laid out Hillary's guilt, without charging her.

His "reopening" of the investigation, then closing it again, just went to show how inept his handling of this case became.
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2017, 06:59:15 PM »
I would have fired him on the first day for the Clinton "investigation."


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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2017, 07:23:04 PM »
Funny . . .

The Democrats (including Chucky Schumer) who WANTED Comey fired during the past year, are now positively apoplectic that Trump did what they said they wanted!   :rofl:
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2017, 07:59:47 PM »

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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2017, 09:04:57 PM »
Comey usurped the proper roles and functions of his position, the FBI and the DOJ when he held his press conference.  The best way to have resolved this would have been in a court of law, not at a press conference

So it was the press conference then? He was supposed to have just told Lynch that he didn't recommend charges and let her get input from others & explain her "decision" from there?
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2017, 09:17:54 PM »
So I've been seeing a lot of complaints about Comey stepping outside his authority in not recommending charges

But didn't Lynch ask him to do exactly that? She punted to him.

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Attorney General Loretta Lynch says she will accept whatever recommendations FBI investigators and career prosecutors make about the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server.

His decision to NOT recommend prosecution, while it was the wrong decision, it seems like Lynch gave it to him to make. He was on the hook, and at that point unless he said to charge her it wasn't going to happen. Is it just that he called a press conference and talked way too much about how guilty Clinton was?

There's a difference between making a recommendation that goes up the food chain (internally), versus calling a press conference and stating that there would be no prosecution -- on the fallacious grounds that she (Hillary) didn't "intend" to break the law. First off, there's a lot of evidence that she very much DID intend to break the law but, more important, the law she broke does not require intent. If you mishandle classified information, you're guilty. Intent is not mentioned, and lots of less important people have been charged and prosecuted for far less egregious instances of mishandling classified information.

The bottom line is in the quote: Lynch didn't delegate the final decision to Comey, she said she would accept the recommendation of the FBI (that's the agency, not just one man -- remember, a lot of agents were very pissed off that Comey curtailed the first investigation) AND career prosecutors. Comey was a prosecutor himself. How do you think he would have reacted if, when he was a prosecutor, the FBI had blindsided him and unilaterally announced there would be no prosecution of a person who was almost certainly guilty? So, no -- he was not doing what Lynch asked him to do. He took her and the prosecutors -- who are the people who are supposed to decide whether or not to press charges -- out of the loop.
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2017, 07:32:49 AM »
Does anyone actually think that Lynch would have actually charged Clinton?

Of course not. That "chance meeting" with Bill Clinton on the tarmac?

He was explaining to her how Vince Foster "committed suicide" and how quickly someone can fall into a deep depression...
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2017, 12:00:18 PM »
This is an interesting twist...http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/11/mike-lee-merrick-garland-for-fbi-head.html
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2017, 01:33:34 PM »

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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2017, 01:47:39 PM »



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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2017, 03:48:23 PM »
I had a thought.

Comey was apparently in California when he got surprised by the firing. Did they make him pay for a ticket back to DC since he wasn't on the payroll anymore?
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Re: Comey fired
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2017, 09:36:37 PM »
I had a thought.

Comey was apparently in California when he got surprised by the firing. Did they make him pay for a ticket back to DC since he wasn't on the payroll anymore?

Maybe they extradited him?
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2017, 11:23:50 PM »
Who is that?

Cigarette Smoking Man, as has been pointed out.  In the series "The X Files"  he and Fox Mulder would have run ins.  CSM  was a major leader of the evil conspiracy of the dark siders ....Bilderbergs, Trilateralwhatevers that were conspiring with aliens and whatever nightcreature was available.
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #40 on: May 12, 2017, 08:18:24 AM »
Cigarette Smoking Man, as has been pointed out.  In the series "The X Files"  he and Fox Mulder would have run ins.  CSM  was a major leader of the evil conspiracy of the dark siders ....Bilderbergs, Trilateralwhatevers that were conspiring with aliens and whatever nightcreature was available.

No, no. Just the aliens. He didn't have any conspiracies with bigfoot.
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #41 on: May 12, 2017, 09:24:36 AM »
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #42 on: May 12, 2017, 10:22:52 AM »
I had a thought.

Comey was apparently in California when he got surprised by the firing. Did they make him pay for a ticket back to DC since he wasn't on the payroll anymore?

Generally the entity has to pay for travel back to the location they sent a person before releasing them. Or get sued if they don't. On "business travel", the entity is liable for basically anything that happens to the person while traveling because they are doing so at the entity's behalf. Different insurance stuff happens. He'd be covered by workman's comp and work travel insurance until he arrives back. If someone has a company car and you fire them, they're also covered until they drop off. Smart employers gently repo the car and hire a driving service for the employee.

At this level of government, it's a bit more of a wildcard.

At Sikorsky, we ran into this issue when they laid a guy off while he was in Qatar. Lot of angry discussions with HR got his card turned back on until he got home. 
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #44 on: May 12, 2017, 11:08:20 AM »
No, no. Just the aliens. He didn't have any conspiracies with bigfoot.

How do you know?   Perhaps he was better at keeping that conspiracy a secret .......  >:D [tinfoil]
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #45 on: May 12, 2017, 11:20:43 AM »
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Not even Vice President Mike Pence was spared the embarrassment of having told a version of events that was later discredited by Trump.
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If you're gonna send people out with talking points, at least get the President to stick to them. At least for a day or two.
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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #46 on: May 12, 2017, 11:33:44 AM »
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If you're gonna send people out with talking points, at least get the President to stick to them. At least for a day or two.

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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #47 on: May 12, 2017, 12:26:50 PM »
At Sikorsky, we ran into this issue when they laid a guy off while he was in Qatar. Lot of angry discussions with HR got his card turned back on until he got home.

OK, I can understand if it's a RFN termination because he peed in a client's punchbowl, but for a layoff, (which presumably wasn't a spur of the moment decision) wouldn't it have made a lot more sense to send him back to his hometown (or at least the right continent) on whatever pretext and then tell him he's being let go?

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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #48 on: May 13, 2017, 08:20:06 PM »
Is it ok to be happy Comey is gone just because his demand for backdoors to encryption was so wrong even though I doubt our government in general understands it?

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/after-huge-global-cyberattack-countries-scramble-halt-spread-ransomware-n759121

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Re: Comey fired
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2017, 08:43:37 PM »
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Sooooo, one of those GD millennials stopped the cyber attack?  I thought they were all good for nothing lay abouts?   :laugh: