Give the BATFE feedback about administratively banning bump stocks

[Pb]

The BATFE appears to be planning to ban all bump stocks by retroactively declaring them machine guns.

Regardless of what you think about bump stocks, this will turn thousands of people in to felons.

The BATFE is taking public comments on this issue.  If you have comments to make, you can make them at the following link.  Be advised, the BATFE will publish your name on the net with your comment, and possibly publish your contact info also.

The comment period is due to end very soon, on Jan 25th, so get your comments in ASAP if you want to do so:

https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=ATF-2018-0001

[cordex]

Also, I think you need to use Edge or IE to fill this out.  Haven't had any luck with Chrome, anyway.

[Scout26]

The BATFE appears to be planning to ban all bump stocks by retroactively declaring them machine guns.

Regardless of what you think about bump stocks, this will turn thousands of people in to felons.

The BATFE is taking public comments on this issue.  If you have comments to make, you can make them at the following link.  Be advised, the BATFE will publish your name on the net with your comment, and possibly publish your contact info also.

The comment period is due to end very soon, on Jan 25th, so get your comments in ASAP if you want to do so:

https://www.regulations.gov/docket?D=ATF-2018-0001

And here I thought that this push had died without legislation...

[DittoHead]

The BATFE is taking public comments on this issue.  If you have comments to make, you can make them at the following link.

Seems like a great way to end up on their watch list. 

[Scout26]

Seems like a great way to end up on their watch list. 

If you aren't already on several .gov watchlists, you are doing it wrong...

[230RN]

The BATFE is taking public comments on this issue.  If you have comments to make, you can make them at the following link.  Be advised, the BATFE will publish your name on the net with your comment, and possibly publish your contact info also.

Way to bias the results, ATF.

As the NRA said when they tried to ban green tipped ammo, "If they can ban one, they can ban them all."

IOW, "If they can redefine one, they can redefine them all."

Bjørn Иördstrøm, 460ЯИ

[HeroHog]

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[Brad Johnson]

Given the history of determinations directly addressing bump stock legality, plus the very clear and unambiguous legal language used in those determinations, I see this hitting the courts about 0.025 microseconds after any type of "administrative ban" is enacted.

Brad

[MechAg94]

Military Arms Channel, Iraqveteran8888, and others have posted videos about this on youtube the last week or so.  There is a lot of concern about the method being used to ban them applying to all sorts of things due to the "rate increasing devices" language or so I hear.  There is also a lot of criticism directed at the NRA for opening this door.  The Knox brothers have both done interviews on a podcast I listen to about the NRA in part related to this.

I am indifferent about bump stocks other than the basic freedom part, but affecting other things like various AR trigger upgrades would suck.  I want a binary trigger and I will never see on if they pass these rules.

[Pb]

Given the history of determinations directly addressing bump stock legality, plus the very clear and unambiguous legal language used in those determinations, I see this hitting the courts about 0.025 microseconds after any type of "administrative ban" is enacted.

Brad

Courts, as far as I can tell, ALWAYS side with the BAFE about technical stuff like this.

[Pb]

Keep in mind that one of the things that killed the "green tip" ammo ban that the BATFE was floating was massive negative feedback during the comment period.  So, please send a comment!

[230RN]

^Probably a good point.

Noises being made in Colorado to ban them under state law.

Additionally, under Denver law.

I wonder how they're going to ban belt loops.

[HeroHog]

"Bump firing" requires ZERO special devices. The stocks are for people who like to buy gadgets rather than learn techniques. Also, the BATFE has already ruled on this. Now you are going to reverse that because of a social event that hasn't changed the device that was approved and is unchanged in any way? What about the definition of a "bump stock?" the proposals put forth so far are so vague and ill defined as to be useless for the intended purpose and open to misuse by those who fail to understand the Second Amendment.

[MechAg94]

"Bump firing" requires ZERO special devices. The stocks are for people who like to buy gadgets rather than learn techniques. Also, the BATFE has already ruled on this. Now you are going to reverse that because of a social event that hasn't changed the device that was approved and is unchanged in any way? What about the definition of a "bump stock?" the proposals put forth so far are so vague and ill defined as to be useless for the intended purpose and open to misuse by those who fail to understand the Second Amendment.

That is the rub.  Wouldn't the previous rulings just provide fodder for lawsuits? 

Military Arms Channel did a video with Rob Ski of AK Operator's Union putting some rounds through an AK.  The MAC guys was bump firing with his finger and going really fast. 

[Scout26]

I have deposited my $.02, and placed myself on another .gov watchlist...

[230RN]

Hell of a thing where discussion about exercising a fundamental civil right and petitioning your government about it puts you in suspicion of "something."

[Brad Johnson]

Comment submitted.

Brad

[cordex]

I have deposited my $.02, and placed myself on another .gov watchlist...

I sent in a Form 4 and my thoughts on this on the same day.

[HeroHog]

Feh, between my FFL (back in the day), my 3 resident CHPs in different states and my 1 Out of state CHP over my life as well as being an active member of the Virginia Citizens Defense League for several years and an officer in the Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League, if I'm NOT on a list, someone's dropped the ball!

[230RN]

^  Well, I've always suspected you of "something." Especially with your interest in fast cars. :D

[HeroHog]

Don't forget bikes. Raced them since I was 9, road them for YEARS and am still and "officer" in The Denizens of Doom MC.

[KD5NRH]

"Bump firing" requires ZERO special devices.

Isn't there a vid somewhere of Jerry Miculek burning off a mag in a 1911 insanely fast by some bump-fire trick? 

IIRC, the disturbing part wasn't that he beat his own "normal" mag dump time by 30-50%, but that his grouping was still good.

[MechAg94]

Feh, between my FFL (back in the day), my 3 resident CHPs in different states and my 1 Out of state CHP over my life as well as being an active member of the Virginia Citizens Defense League for several years and an officer in the Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League, if I'm NOT on a list, someone's dropped the ball!

I am sure just about anyone who has joined a gun discussion forum is on a list regardless of anything else.  I suspect the govt has so many lists these days it really doesn't matter a whole lot. 

[Brad Johnson]

I can fan-fire a 1911 at a cyclic rate high enough get the attention of fed.gov officers practicing at the same range. Took several mags worth of demonstration to convince them that I hadn't modified the gun for FA. After they settled down and figured out I wasn't up to any illegal shenanigans, they turned out to be pretty cool. We got a few laughs when they began trying to fan fire their DAO service weapons.

Brad

[cordex]

I can fan-fire a 1911 at a cyclic rate high enough get the attention of fed.gov officers practicing at the same range. Took several mags worth of demonstration to convince them that I hadn't modified the gun for FA. After they settled down and figured out I wasn't up to any illegal shenanigans, they turned out to be pretty cool. We got a few laughs when they began trying to fan fire their DAO service weapons.

What do you mean when you say fan-fire?

I know what I think of when I hear that, and it isn't going to work on a 1911.