Author Topic: The Gun Control Bandwagon (Read 77075 times)

Ben · « **Reply #300 on:** March 10, 2018, 12:57:21 PM »

Maybe I need to learn more about "Fix NICS", but I thought it was legislation most all pro-gun organizations supported, or at least tolerated. Daniel Defense just came out in support of it and apparently are getting Zumboed.

https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/03/10/ouch-gun-manufacturer-supports-fix-nics-bill-and-now-theyre-seeing-a-major-shstorm/

MechAg94 · « **Reply #301 on:** March 10, 2018, 01:57:51 PM »

The biggest issue I have heard with FixNICS is it creates incentives or disincentives for states to report, encouraging them to report even bad information. Yet it does not set up an easier process for getting your name off the prohibited list if it was reported incorrectly. No disincentives for bad reporting. Essentially, the NICS system has (what I hear) 90% plus false positives on rejections. It is thought this new bill will make that even worse.

There may be more, but that is what I have heard. This is mostly from people who are already generally upset with the NRA for caving on bump stocks and not pushing harder on rolling back existing laws.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #302 on:** March 10, 2018, 02:02:08 PM »

FixNICs is probably not as bad as some bills out there. Not as bad as what I have heard is in the wording of the potential ATF bump stock ban at least. From what I have heard, I don't really see it as a positive either.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #303 on:** March 10, 2018, 07:55:30 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csud7X6ZixM&t=789s

Iraqiveteran8888 posted a video today talking about Fix NICS in part. He said he is hearing there is a compromise bill getting started that combines FixNICS with some school safety gun control stuff. He also talked a little bit about why he doesn't like FixNICS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cEcf0BY-fg
sooch00 posted a video talking about various bills in Congress also.

Ben · « **Reply #304 on:** March 10, 2018, 09:28:20 PM »

I could not verify, but from the comments it appears this guy turned in his AR-15 while in uniform. I went to the twitter link and read some of his comments there. He does appear to be in the military, and he thinks the founding fathers were "communalists".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/10/needs-more-foregrips-turning-in-your-ar-15-to-the-police-is-the-new-hotness/

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #305 on:** March 10, 2018, 10:50:30 PM »

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I would have been a hypocrite if I’d have kept it while railing against the idea of having one. I wanted it destroyed so no one else could use it. It’s a moral and ethical decision. One more people should make.

I made my moral and ethical decision. I decided that, morally and ethically, I should keep my AR-15.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #306 on:** March 10, 2018, 11:39:25 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 10, 2018, 10:50:30 PM

I made my moral and ethical decision. I decided that, morally and ethically, I should keep my AR-15.

Morally and ethically, anyone who believes they should give up their fundamental human right to own their AR should give it to me. #gunsense

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #307 on:** March 12, 2018, 12:22:34 PM »

Shannon Watts triggered by .22 target rifle.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28111/gun-control-activist-posts-tweet-scary-looking-james-barrett

just Warren · « **Reply #308 on:** March 12, 2018, 01:24:00 PM »

But it's capable of going full bolt-action!

bedlamite · « **Reply #309 on:** March 12, 2018, 01:34:45 PM »

Quote from: fistful on March 12, 2018, 12:22:34 PM

Shannon Watts triggered by .22 target rifle.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28111/gun-control-activist-posts-tweet-scary-looking-james-barrett

Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. I remember years ago when they tried bringing up sniper rifles, and they realized it was a bad idea before they got too far.

TechMan · « **Reply #310 on:** March 12, 2018, 02:45:18 PM »

Quote from: Ben on March 10, 2018, 12:57:21 PM

Maybe I need to learn more about "Fix NICS", but I thought it was legislation most all pro-gun organizations supported, or at least tolerated. Daniel Defense just came out in support of it and apparently are getting Zumboed.

https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/03/10/ouch-gun-manufacturer-supports-fix-nics-bill-and-now-theyre-seeing-a-major-shstorm/

Ben, here is the text of the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2135/text. Look at the sponsors of the bill:

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Mr. Cornyn (for himself, Mr. Murphy, Mr. Scott, Mr. Blumenthal, Mr. Hatch, Mrs. Feinstein, Mr. Heller, and Mrs. Shaheen) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #311 on:** March 12, 2018, 02:53:45 PM »

Quote from: Warren on March 12, 2018, 01:24:00 PM

But it's capable of going full bolt-action!

LOL

Ben · « **Reply #312 on:** March 12, 2018, 04:03:38 PM »

Quote from: adively on March 12, 2018, 02:45:18 PM

Ben, here is the text of the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2135/text. Look at the sponsors of the bill:

Ah. It appears from this and from what Mech wrote, that the original bill has changed. It must have been part of that "meeting" Trump had where he told people to combine their stuff?

Ben · « **Reply #313 on:** March 12, 2018, 04:12:20 PM »

Heh. It appears that Ted Cruz's opponent thinks that Austin is the entire state of Texas. I'm pretty sure he just guaranteed his loss:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/12/good-luck-with-that-texas-dem-beto-orourke-just-handed-ted-cruz-a-landslide-election-win/

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #314 on:** March 12, 2018, 06:49:52 PM »

Quote from: Ben on March 12, 2018, 04:12:20 PM

Heh. It appears that Ted Cruz's opponent thinks that Austin is the entire state of Texas. I'm pretty sure he just guaranteed his loss:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/12/good-luck-with-that-texas-dem-beto-orourke-just-handed-ted-cruz-a-landslide-election-win/

I have unshakable faith in the ability of the Stupid PartyÂ©Â® to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Ben · « **Reply #315 on:** March 14, 2018, 11:30:45 AM »

So kids walking out today don't want gun control, right?

MechAg94 · « **Reply #316 on:** March 14, 2018, 11:33:20 AM »

Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2018, 11:30:45 AM

So kids walking out today don't want gun control, right?

Yes, they aren't to be trusted with guns, but we should all listen to them on what we should do with ours.

Hawkmoon · « **Reply #317 on:** March 14, 2018, 11:58:44 AM »

Until Parkland, I doubt any of them had ever thought about gun control or school security for more than a nanosecond. They just assumed they were safe. Now that they know that they weren't as safe as they thought, they're latching onto whatever the talking heads on the telly are saying will make them safe. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights aren't being taught in schools any more, so the constitutional conflict engendered by banning guns isn't something they're even aware of. And kids today don't have the attention span to sit back and consider that. Everyone wants a quick and easy "solution," and they don't have the breadth of life experience to understand that complex problems cannot have simple solutions, or 100% guarantees.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #318 on:** March 14, 2018, 12:33:24 PM »

Quote from: Hawkmoon on March 14, 2018, 11:58:44 AM

Until Parkland, I doubt any of them had ever thought about gun control or school security for more than a nanosecond. They just assumed they were safe. Now that they know that they weren't as safe as they thought, they're latching onto whatever the talking heads on the telly are saying will make them safe. The Constitution and the Bill of Rights aren't being taught in schools any more, so the constitutional conflict engendered by banning guns isn't something they're even aware of. And kids today don't have the attention span to sit back and consider that. Everyone wants a quick and easy "solution," and they don't have the breadth of life experience to understand that complex problems cannot have simple solutions, or 100% guarantees.

I don't recall who said it, or wrote it, but someone has pointed out that most people think the scary assault weapons are some kind of specialized gun that only a few people own. They don't understand how ubiquitous they are; how many people own them, and use them for home-defense, etc. They think they can just ban them.

Ben · « **Reply #319 on:** March 14, 2018, 02:26:41 PM »

If I had kids, I'd probably be pretty pissed to find out that their elementary school forced them to march for gun control. A lot of the kids in these pictures look either unhappy or unsure of what is going on. Seems like the kind of thing that requires a consent form.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/14/this-is-pathetic-how-young-is-too-young-to-participate-in-nationalwalkoutday-pics/

Angel Eyes · « **Reply #320 on:** March 14, 2018, 03:00:01 PM »

Bernie Sanders attends one of the anti-gun rallies . . . surrounded by armed guards:

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/14/lol-look-how-bernie-sanders-kept-safe-at-the-anti-gun-nationalwalkoutday-rally-in-dc/

Hypocrisy much, Bernie?

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #321 on:** March 14, 2018, 03:23:46 PM »

Quote from: Ben on March 14, 2018, 02:26:41 PM

If I had kids, I'd probably be pretty pissed to find out that their elementary school forced them to march for gun control. A lot of the kids in these pictures look either unhappy or unsure of what is going on. Seems like the kind of thing that requires a consent form.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/03/14/this-is-pathetic-how-young-is-too-young-to-participate-in-nationalwalkoutday-pics/

The schools don't seem as if they're trying to hide the fact they're using tax-payer money to endorse a political viewpoint, and to attack a human right enshrined in our constitution and our history.

Ben · « **Reply #322 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:17:16 AM »

Well, surprisingly(!), national walkout day was not about solutions or discussion, just about "we hate guns". What a shocker.

High school kid has sign that says, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." is escorted off school grounds by the principal and threatened with arrest.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/15/watch-student-with-sign-not-conforming-to-lefts-gun-control-narrative-removed-from-nationalwalkoutday-rally/

TommyGunn · « **Reply #323 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:19:32 AM »

Quote from: Ben on March 15, 2018, 11:17:16 AM

Well, surprisingly(!), national walkout day was not about solutions or discussion, just about "we hate guns". What a shocker.

High school kid has sign that says, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." is escorted off school grounds by the principal and threatened with arrest.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2018/03/15/watch-student-with-sign-not-conforming-to-lefts-gun-control-narrative-removed-from-nationalwalkoutday-rally/

Free speech as it is now enforced in places controlled by our generous government.....

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Perd Hapley · « **Reply #324 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:58:37 AM »

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28271/police-student-carrying-trump-flag-gun-control-james-barrett

https://www.dailywire.com/news/28281/watch-tennessee-students-brawl-tear-down-american-emily-zanotti

I haven't read these. Don't need the aggravation.

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Author Topic: The Gun Control Bandwagon (Read 77075 times)