Author Topic: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?  (Read 1688 times)

Monkeyleg

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Tattaglia is a pimp.
    • http://www.gunshopfinder.com
Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« on: January 24, 2007, 06:02:01 PM »
In a rant on another thread, I mentioned Wisconsin's governor's proposal to raise cigarette taxes to obscene levels.

My wife and I are already spending ridiculous amounts of money on cigarettes.

So, I'm trying to get into the quitting mindset, and quickly.

I've never even tried, so this could be interesting.

One incentive often mentioned is financial: take the money you'd spend on cigarettes, put it in a jar every day, and then reward yourself. (With the amount of money we spend on cigarettes, I wouldn't put that cash into a jar; I'd put it in my gun safe).

Anywho, I'm just wondering what the cost of patches, pills and nicoteine gum are.

Replies much appreciated.




Headless Thompson Gunner

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8,517
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2007, 06:09:48 PM »
Anywho, I'm just wondering what the cost of patches, pills and nicoteine gum are.
Free, if you don't use them.  Give it a go without the crutches. 

Thor

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,230
  • US Navy (retired)
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2007, 06:17:54 PM »
When I have quit in the past, I quit cold turkey. One time lasted a couple or three years, the other about six months. It's tougher when one is around people that smoke. Cinnamon gum or cinnamon toothpicks (if you can find them anymore) work fairly well.
" a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand." - Lucius Annaeus

for Military, Vets, & Supporters, check out:
USMILNET

Conservative Discussion Forum


Dannyboy

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,340
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2007, 06:19:59 PM »
Free, if you don't use them.  Give it a go without the crutches.

Yup.  Haven't had a cigarette since June 5th, last year.  Admittedly, I am chewing more gum than usual, but not too much.  Certainly not enough to put a dent in my wallet.  It's all in your mind.
Oh, Lord, please let me be as sanctimonious and self-righteous as those around me, so that I may fit in.

cosine

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3,734
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2007, 06:28:32 PM »
Whatever you try, I wish you good luck in your venture, Monkeyleg.
Andy

Monkeyleg

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Tattaglia is a pimp.
    • http://www.gunshopfinder.com
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2007, 06:36:25 PM »
Congratulations to those who've quit cold turkey. I know many people who've done so.

However, I don't know anyone (except my FIL, who died from lung cancer in 2005 at age 79) who smokes as much as I do. I easily do 4+ packs a day.

My wife's sister and her husband are now on their third try. It's been a little over a month, but they're still very irritable, and are at each other's throats over the most minor of issues.

With the amount I smoke, I just don't see toothpicks or willpower doing the trick all by themselves. If I had that kind of willpower, I would have quit long ago.

I guess what I'm trying to do is give myself additional incentives to quit. For example, I've long wanted a 5.0 litre Mustang convertible. If the difference in monthly costs for patches, etc. is considerably less than the cost for a nice used Mustang, well, there's an incentive.

I've never tried quitting before, probably because I don't like failure, and have only undertaken efforts in which I had a reasonable expectation of succeeding.

Cosine, thanks for the extra words of encouragement. You were typing at the same time I was.


gunsmith

  • I forgot to get vaccinated!
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8,179
  • I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2007, 06:47:31 PM »
What I did was not smoke on weekends,
I tried not smoking at work and it was to stressful, the opposite worked.
Just keep at it, it may take awhile.

When you got weekends licked it aint to bad.
Politicians and bureaucrats are considered productive if they swarm the populace like a plague of locust, devouring all substance in their path and leaving a swath of destruction like a firestorm. The technical term is "bipartisanship".
Rocket Man: "The need for booster shots for the immunized has always been based on the science.  Political science, not medical science."

Vodka7

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,067
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2007, 11:21:16 PM »
Man, at four packs a day, even if you buy the cigs online or at the reservation for around $20/carton, you're blowing through $28/week on cigs.  Now if you're buying them retail, even at say $3 a pack, that's $84/week.  Forget about the patches, in just your first year off the cigs completely you'll save at least $1,456, and up to $4,368 if you're paying retail.  And if you're in the north and paying taxes like I am, averaging $4/pack, that's a good $5,824.

For the price of the patch, you're looking at around $3/day according to wikipedia, less if you buy the generics.

One thing to keep in mind though, the highest level of Nicoderm CQ patch is meant to be equal to about one pack of smokes a day.  At four packs, it's probably not going to do anything at all to help you.  You may need to start trying to reduce the cigs you smoke before you'll be able to handle the patch and quit altogether.

Sergeant Bob

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,861
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2007, 01:34:59 AM »
The patches can be kind of expensive, but then so is smoking. If you go to a Sam's club you can get the patches way cheaper than you can in the regular retail stores.
Don't listen to all the manly men telling you that you should do it cold turkey, because they did. You do whatever it takes to quit, its worth it.
I smoked for 35 years and thought I could never quit, but I did and it was the best thing I ever did for myself
I used to get bad colds and bronchitis every year. When I woke up in the morning I would hack and cough for a half hour before I could really breath right (ha!).
I always had an excuse as to why I was always coughing. Just got a cold, allergies, whatever.
Now I have Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, yet I haven't had a caught a cold in two years. I've not had an involuntary cough in months.
You do whatever it takes, please. If the money is your motivation, great. If its your health, even better.
Even if the patches cost as much as smoking does, its worth it (and they won't put burns in the carpet!)
Don't quit the way I did, by spending two weeks in the hospital with one week of that on life support.
Good luck my friend, you can do it!
Personally, I do not understand how a bunch of people demanding a bigger govt can call themselves anarchist.
I meet lots of folks like this, claim to be anarchist but really they're just liberals with pierced genitals. - gunsmith

I already have canned butter, buying more. Canned blueberries, some pancake making dry goods and the end of the world is gonna be delicious.  -French G

Ex-MA Hole

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,976
    • The Brown Bomber
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 03:03:22 AM »
A couple of things:
1.  I like the money in the jar idea.  That's what I did with my booze money.  Used it to buy a few guns.  Much better stress relief.
2.  I still smoke cigars, I want this on the table, so no one calls my a hypocrite.  To me, this is very different.  To most, this is different.
3.  You know what got me to quit smoking cold turkey?  I looked at an chest X-Ray or a friend of mine that had smoked for years.  I quit that day.  You hear it's bad for you, you hear it can kill you.  Until I saw it first hand, it meant nothing.  Oh, and my friend has since passed.
One day at a time.

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,400
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 03:25:44 AM »
Incentives to quit:

1.  You're essential to the gun-rights movement in Wisconson (such as it is.)  Someday, you'll get better legislators and a better governer who might actually pass good legislation if there is a Monkeyleg around to push it.  Wisconson needs you alive, healthy and out of the hospital at that point.

2.  Every dollar you waste on cigs is a dollar stolen from your passion for the rights of citizens to protect themselves.  And a dollar stolen from your shooting hobby. 

"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

Big_R

  • friend
  • New Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 62
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2007, 04:49:39 AM »
Start with a visit to your doctor.  There are a lot of medical options to help a person quit, all of which should be covered by health insurance.  Folks I know who successfully quit combined medication with other lifestyle changes (exercise, not going to smoky places, etc.).  It's a tough road.  Good luck.

Ryan

peteinct

  • friend
  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 165
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2007, 05:07:15 AM »
Monkeyleg, Good job trying to quit. It was one of the hardest things I've ever done but it is well worth it. What I had to do was to stop going out to bars because I would weaken after I had a few beers inside me. I know guys who said hypnosis worked well for them. Good Luck.
pete

Monkeyleg

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,589
  • Tattaglia is a pimp.
    • http://www.gunshopfinder.com
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2007, 12:14:22 PM »
Thanks again for the replies.

After watching my FIL go through all of his misery, my wife and I said we were going to quit. Well, I guess even that wasn't enough.

I hate Jim Doyle with a passion. Maybe that will help motivate me, as I don't want to give him any more of my tax dollars for his cigarette tax increase.

Vodka7, I figure I spend about $5,375 right now on cigs each year. My wife probably spends half of that. That's a huge number. And I wonder why money is tight.   rolleyes

brimic

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,270
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2007, 12:41:35 PM »
Sunflower seeds- substitute one ritual oral fixation for another, it worked for me.
"now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb" -Dark Helmet

"AK47's belong in the hands of soldiers mexican drug cartels"-
Barack Obama

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2007, 01:45:03 PM »
For example, I've long wanted a 5.0 litre Mustang convertible. If the difference in monthly costs for patches, etc. is considerably less than the cost for a nice used Mustang, well, there's an incentive.


okay off topic but...

I sold my 89 5.0 GT droptop about two years ago for $1900.  I think I sold it cheaper than what I could have gotten for it, but it was time to get rid of the car. I never drove it anymore because I had just realized how much I loved my girlfriend (wife now) and that car was part of an older lengther relationship with a evil toxic woman. When the guy I sold it to me handed me the check and I signed the title over to him it was like the weight of the world was lifted off my shoulders.

$5100 would buy you a pretty cherry 5.0 convertible. It is like no one wants them right now, fastbacks and t tops are popular.
Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

zahc

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,797
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2007, 04:28:37 PM »
Reading threads like this is strange to me. I smoke ciggarettes, but I've never become addicted. I never experience these 'cravings' everyone talks about. I'll go months without smoking or wanting to. It's actually the same way with alcohol. I guess I'm not prone to addiction.
Maybe a rare occurence, but then you only have to get murdered once to ruin your whole day.
--Tallpine

charby

  • Necromancer
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29,295
  • APS's Resident Sikh/Muslim
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2007, 05:29:57 PM »
beat your head against the wall

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/ap_on_he_me/smoking_brain_damage_4

WASHINGTON - Damage to a silver dollar-sized spot deep in the brain seems to wipe out the urge to smoke, a surprising discovery that may shed important new light on addiction. The research was inspired by a stroke survivor who claimed he simply forgot his two-pack-a-day addiction _ no cravings, no nicotine patches, not even a conscious desire to quit.
 
"The quitting is like a light switch that went off," said Dr. Antoine Bechara of the University of Southern California, who scanned the brains of 69 smokers and ex-smokers to pinpoint the region involved. "This is very striking."

Clearly brain damage isn't a treatment option for people struggling to kick the habit.

But the finding, reported in Friday's edition of the journal Science, does point scientists toward new ways to develop anti-smoking aids by targeting this little-known brain region called the insula. And it sparked excitement among addiction specialists who expect the insula to play a key role in other addictions, too.

"It's a fantastic paper, it's a fantastic finding," said Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and a longtime investigator of the brain's addiction pathways.

"What this study shows unequivocally is the insula is a key structure in the brain for perceiving the urges to take the drug," urges that are "the backbone of the addiction," Volkow added.

Why? The insula appears to be where the brain turns physical reactions into feelings, such as feeling anxious when your heart speeds up. When those reactions are caused by a particular substance, the insula may act like sort of a headquarters for cravings.

Some 44 million Americans smoke, and the government says more than 400,000 a year die of smoking-related illnesses. Declines in smoking have slowed in recent years, making it unlikely that the nation will reach a public health goal of reducing the rate to 12 percent by 2010.

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known, and it's common for smokers to suffer repeated relapses when they try to quit.

So imagine Bechara's surprise at hearing a patient he code-named "Nathan" note nonchalantly that "my body forgot the urge to smoke" right after his stroke.

At the time, Bechara was at the University of Iowa studying the effects of certain types of brain damage after strokes or other injury. While Nathan was hospitalized, stroke specialists sent his information to that brain registry. He was 38, had smoked since 14, said he enjoyed it and had had no intention to quit. But his last puff was the night before his stroke. His surprised wife said he never even asked for a smoke while in the hospital.

It's not unusual for a health scare to prompt an attempt at quitting. "That's the quitting that's not as interesting," Bechara said.

Instead, Nathan experienced what Bechara calls a "disruption of smoking addiction," and he wanted to know why.

Bechara and colleagues culled their brain-damage registry for 69 patients who had smoked regularly before their injuries. Nineteen, including Nathan, had damage to the insula. Thirteen of the insula-damaged patients had quit smoking, 12 of them super-easily: They quit within a day of the brain injury, and reported neither smoking nor even feeling the urge since then.

Of the remaining 50 patients with damage in other brain regions, 19 quit smoking but only four met the broken-addiction criteria.

If Bechara's findings are validated, they suggest that developing drugs that target the insula might help smokers quit. There are nicotine receptors in the insula, meaning it should be possible to create a nicotine-specific drug, Bechara said _ albeit years from now.

More immediately, NIDA's Volkow wants to try a different experiment: Scientists can temporarily alter function of certain brain regions with pulses of magnetic energy, called "transcranial magnetic stimulation." She wants to see if it's possible to focus such magnetic pulses on the insula, and thus verify its role.

Other neurologic functions are known to be involved with addiction, too, such as the brain's "reward" or pleasure pathways. The insula discovery doesn't contradict that work, but adds another layer to how addiction grips the brain, Bechara said.

Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

Uranus is a gas giant.

Team 444: Member# 536

Headless Thompson Gunner

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8,517
Re: Recent ex-smokers: cost for patches, pills, etc?
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2007, 05:37:18 PM »
Reading threads like this is strange to me. I smoke ciggarettes, but I've never become addicted. I never experience these 'cravings' everyone talks about. I'll go months without smoking or wanting to. It's actually the same way with alcohol. I guess I'm not prone to addiction.
I'm the same way.  I smoke cigars.  I've always wondered if I'm addicted.  I like smoking them, because it's a plesant, enjoyable activity.  They say this is one of the signs of addiction, that I don't actually like the tobacco, it's my addiction making me think that I do.  But I enjoy all sorts of other things in life.  I enjoy spending time with my girlfriend, I enjoy riding my bike, shooting, playing golf, and on and on.  I enjoy posting here on APS.  Does that mean I'm also addicted to my girlfriend, bike, guns, golf clubs, APS...?  Surely not.

But every time I smoke one I can feel the nicotine doing its thing.  It's definitely a drug, and it definitely affects my body and mind.  There isn't this sort of physical/chemical reaction associated with my other hobbies and enjoyments.  Maybe this means I am addicted.

The other aspect of addiction is withdrawal.  Supposedly, if you're addicted you suffer some sort of symptoms whenever you go without your fix.  I sometimes go for months without a stogie, I sorta just forget there's a box of 'em on the shelf.  No cravings, no withdrawal symptoms, nada. 

So, am I addicted?  The only sensible answer I can come up with is "who cares?"