Medicare for All!

[De Selby]

I think you guys are getting too deep in the weeds here.

My general philosophy is to keep the government out of my personal life.  That includes guns, sex, drugs, health care, etc., because no matter how well a law or program is intended, sometime in the future that law will be completely turned on it's head and used to abuse the people it is intended to help.  The fact we are arguing so much about whether the government should be involved should be a big, red warning flag to us all.  

In other words - ignore the evidence. We don’t like government so the poor healthcare system we have now must be the right one.

[dogmush]

Like the evidence that the US Government can't successfully run a Health Care system that provides acceptable care for even a fraction of the population, much less the whole county?  We should ignore that evidence?

[Fly320s]

In other words - ignore the evidence. We don’t like government so the poor healthcare system we have now must be the right one.

Do you mean the evidence of how efficiently and fairly the government runs everything else they have their hands in?  Like Social Security, and the military, TSA, ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA, Obamacare, gerrymandering elections, etc?  That kind of evidence?

The evidence you are ignoring is that the USA is not a socialist state, despite how hard you and others try to make it that way.  We are a capitalist Representative Republic founded on the idea of individual freedom which makes the US the best damn country on Earth.  Freedom of the individual to achieve his best or succumb to his worst without government intervention or interference and without burdening others along the way.

If you really want to improve the healthcare market, get the government out of the way.

edited to add "capitalist"

[RoadKingLarry]

Do you mean the evidence of how efficiently and fairly the government runs everything else they have their hands in?  Like Social Security, and the military, TSA, ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA, Obamacare, gerrymandering elections, etc?  That kind of evidence?

The evidence you are ignoring is that the USA is not a socialist state, despite how hard you and others try to make it that way.  We are a capitalist Representative Republic founded on the idea of individual freedom which makes the US the best damn country on Earth.  Freedom of the individual to achieve his best or succumb to his worst without government intervention or interference and without burdening others along the way.

If you really want to improve the healthcare market, get the government out of the way.

edited to add "capitalist"

QFT.

[sumpnz]

DeSelby is, and has consistently been, an advocate of tyranny and an opponent of freedom.  That is especially evident in discussions about health care and insurance policy since that is such a huge component of the economy.  Control of health care delivery plus media and education and you can control the majority of the people.

[Scout26]

I think you guys are getting too deep in the weeds here.

My general philosophy is to keep the government out of my personal life.  That includes guns, sex, drugs, health care, etc., because no matter how well a law or program is intended, sometime in the future that law will be completely turned on it's head and used to abuse the people it is intended to help.  The fact we are arguing so much about whether the government should be involved should be a big, red warning flag to us all.  

Which is pretty much what I said above:

There is HUGE difference in ME deciding what healthcare I or my family choose to use or forego, versus some nameless/faceless bureaucrat(s) making those decisions

And I'm not advocating for our mess of a healthcare system.  I want the .gov OUT of it.

[De Selby]

Which is pretty much what I said above:
And I'm not advocating for our mess of a healthcare system.  I want the .gov OUT of it.

How is an insurance company employee any more accessible than government???

You can at least call your congressman about the .gov. Try getting something an insurance company doesn’t want to give you sometime.

[Scout26]

How is an insurance company employee any more accessible than government???

You can at least call your congressman about the .gov. Try getting something an insurance company doesn’t want to give you sometime.

BTDT,  After a year of not finding out what was causing my kidneys to fail, my doc suggested I try the Mayo Clinic.  UHC said no, out of network.

Doc wrote the the Insurance Company a letter.  They agreed to cover it as in-network.


See De Selby, here's the main difference.  If I don't like what an Insurance company does, I can work my way up the food chain, even to the CEO if necessary.   I can also go to the state Insurance commissioner and complain.   And I can change companies when it comes time to renew.

If the .gov says no, I'll get lost in a byzantine system, of "Not my job." and rerouted back to where I began.  (See the Obamacare website as an example.)  And there's no "outside agency" to use as a last resort.   Remember, the only power a bureaucrat has is the power to say "No".   

[Boomhauer]

BTDT,  After a year of not finding out what was causing my kidneys to fail, my doc suggested I try the Mayo Clinic.  UHC said no, out of network.

Doc wrote the the Insurance Company a letter.  They agreed to cover it as in-network.


See De Selby, here's the main difference.  If I don't like what an Insurance company does, I can work my way up the food chain, even to the CEO if necessary.   I can also go to the state Insurance commissioner and complain.   And I can change companies when it comes time to renew.

If the .gov says no, I'll get lost in a byzantine system, of "Not my job." and rerouted back to where I began.  (See the Obamacare website as an example.)  And there's no "outside agency" to use as a last resort.   Remember, the only power a bureaucrat has is the power to say "No". 

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[Scout26]

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