I weep for my country

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=11196

This is stuff I was taught in 8th grade (or was it 7th grade?) Social Studies.

[RoadKingLarry]

 
I kind of think it's deliberate. Much easier to take something away if they don't even know they have it.

[TommyGunn]

True, but there are also people who know all about the 1st Amendment and still argue for abridgement of free speech, attack religious freedoms, and don't even understand peaceful assembly or redress of grievances.

[HeroHog]

US Constitution, Amendment I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There IS no mention of "separation of church and state" ANYWHERE in the US Constitution! These is NOTHING there that says you can't mention God, ANYWHERE. What it does is forbid the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. PERIOD.
The rest simply says Congress can't restrict Speech, the Press, prevent you from gathering together and if the federal government is exceeding the authority granted to it under the constitution, the people have a right to formally complain and the government must respond.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Here is a link to Supreme Court notable cases dealing with the First Amendment, Obscenity and Indecency. Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S.Ct. 2607, 37 L.Ed.2d. 419 (1973) is where the court mapped out a three part test for what is obscene. "First, the average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests; second, that it depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct as defined by state law; and third, that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/censorshipfirstamendmentissues/courtcases

Notable First Amendment Court Cases:

This page contains summaries of frequently cited First Amendment cases. Arranged by topic, they cover case law issued by a variety of courts: the Supreme Court of the United States, the Court of Appeals of different Federal circuits, the District Court of several Federal districts, as well as the highest court of several states and particular appellate courts of action.

ALA.ORG

[MechAg94]

US Constitution, Amendment I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There IS no mention of "separation of church and state" ANYWHERE in the US Constitution! These is NOTHING there that says you can't mention God, ANYWHERE. What it does is forbid the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. PERIOD.
The rest simply says Congress can't restrict Speech, the Press, prevent you from gathering together and if the federal government is exceeding the authority granted to it under the constitution, the people have a right to formally complain and the government must respond.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Here is a link to Supreme Court notable cases dealing with the First Amendment, Obscenity and Indecency. Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S.Ct. 2607, 37 L.Ed.2d. 419 (1973) is where the court mapped out a three part test for what is obscene. "First, the average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests; second, that it depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct as defined by state law; and third, that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/censorshipfirstamendmentissues/courtcases

Notable First Amendment Court Cases:ALA.ORG

..........But you can't yell Fire!!!.....and... Stuff!!!

 

[MechAg94]

I would be curious what the results of the same survey would be in previous years and decades.  I really doubt this is recent and there have always been people who forgot most of what they learned in school the day after they graduated.

[zxcvbob]

US Constitution, Amendment I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
[snip]

Notice that the right to petition .gov flows right into the Amendment II, the right to arms.  I don't think that's an accident.  I read 2A as a continuation of 1A, because otherwise why would they listen to those grievances?  THAT's what's necessary to secure a free state.

[T.O.M.]

I would be curious to see results from other schools, and especially other colleges in the universities. With all of the emphasis on STEM education, I wonder if civics/history suffers as a result.

[Scout26]

US Constitution, Amendment I: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

There IS no mention of "separation of church and state" ANYWHERE in the US Constitution! These is NOTHING there that says you can't mention God, ANYWHERE. What it does is forbid the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. PERIOD.
The rest simply says Congress can't restrict Speech, the Press, prevent you from gathering together and if the federal government is exceeding the authority granted to it under the constitution, the people have a right to formally complain and the government must respond.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

Here is a link to Supreme Court notable cases dealing with the First Amendment, Obscenity and Indecency. Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15, 93 S.Ct. 2607, 37 L.Ed.2d. 419 (1973) is where the court mapped out a three part test for what is obscene. "First, the average person, applying contemporary community standards, must find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to prurient interests; second, that it depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct as defined by state law; and third, that the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

http://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/censorshipfirstamendmentissues/courtcases

Notable First Amendment Court Cases:ALA.ORG

The "Separation of Church and State" is in a letter Jefferson wrote to a Baptist Church.

The phrase "separation between church & state" is generally traced to a January 1, 1802, letter by Thomas Jefferson, addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association in Connecticut, and published in a Massachusetts newspaper. Jefferson wrote,

    I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof', thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1]

[Perd Hapley]

There IS no mention of "separation of church and state" ANYWHERE in the US Constitution! These is NOTHING there that says you can't mention God, ANYWHERE. What it does is forbid the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion, or non-religion over religion. PERIOD.

I don't see "separation of church and state" in the Constitution, but I don't see most of the rest of that in there, either. All I see is, no establishing a religion, and no prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

[HankB]

I don't see "separation of church and state" in the Constitution, but I don't see most of the rest of that in there, either. All I see is, no establishing a religion, and no prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

You just haven't been trained to perceive the auras and penumbras included in the Constitution.

[MechAg94]

I don't see "separation of church and state" in the Constitution, but I don't see most of the rest of that in there, either. All I see is, no establishing a religion, and no prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

You are also using old archaic word definitions of the past.  You need to embrace the NewSpeak of the Future when you interpret Living Documents such as the Constitution. 

[230RN]

You just haven't been trained to perceive the auras and penumbras included in the Constitution which make it a "living document," subject to the shifting whims of public opinion.

There, that's better.

Well, my first reaction ro the OP was "Oh, Columbia University." Then "Midtown Manhattan."  Then "New York City."

Enough said.  Case closed.

[HeroHog]

This is interesting


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[230RN]

Well, I have a special problem there.  With the proper screen resolution and the fact that I enlarge my screen to 200% for viewability at four feet, the usual word-wrapping for text doesn't work for images.  I have to copy the image to Paint and then usually have to enlarge it.  Poor little special me <snif-snif>.

I just thought if there was a textual source for that, it would be nice for poor little special me <snif-snif>, especially for highlighting and copying.

But it's not the first time poor little special me had to hand-transcribe text for posting and other purposes.

I used to have a fairly good optical scanner for rendering images to text, but my scanner broke.  Poor little me.

<special> Terry <snif>

[CypherNinja]

Well, I have a special problem there.  With the proper screen resolution and the fact that I enlarge my screen to 200% for viewability at four feet, the usual word-wrapping for text doesn't work for images.  I have to copy the image to Paint and then usually have to enlarge it.  Poor little special me <snif-snif>.

I just thought if there was a textual source for that, it would be nice for poor little special me <snif-snif>, especially for highlighting and copying.

But it's not the first time poor little special me had to hand-transcribe text for posting and other purposes.

I used to have a fairly good optical scanner for rendering images to text, but my scanner broke.  Poor little me.

<special> Terry <snif>

https://archive.is/yAryk  

Don't worry it doesn't lead to any of the sites that use greentext.

EDIT: I just realized what forum it actually was, lol. Not even 4chan wanted to link that place. 

[Doggy Daddy]

Well, I have a special problem there.  With the proper screen resolution and the fact that I enlarge my screen to 200% for viewability at four feet, the usual word-wrapping for text doesn't work for images.  I have to copy the image to Paint and then usually have to enlarge it.  Poor little special me <snif-snif>.

I just thought if there was a textual source for that, it would be nice for poor little special me <snif-snif>, especially for highlighting and copying.

But it's not the first time poor little special me had to hand-transcribe text for posting and other purposes.

I used to have a fairly good optical scanner for rendering images to text, but my scanner broke.  Poor little me.

<special> Terry <snif>

Maybe I'm wierd, but when I clicked on it, it grew to a very legibel size.

[Hawkmoon]

Well, I have a special problem there.  With the proper screen resolution and the fact that I enlarge my screen to 200% for viewability at four feet, the usual word-wrapping for text doesn't work for images.  I have to copy the image to Paint and then usually have to enlarge it.  Poor little special me <snif-snif>.

Ummm -- just [single] click on the image, and it enlarges itself to a nicely readable size. Click again and it reverts to being a thumnail.

[230RN]

^ If you're talking about HeroHog's thumbnail, I know about clicking on it to enlarge it.  What I'm saying is that it still chops off the right side of the text image and there's no horizontal scroll bar to move the image around.  Same thing happens with large regular images, of course.

Special problem, and I found special solutions ([1]copy to Paint, [2]reduce my screen enlargement to 150% and use stronger glasses), so no big deal.    There must be some kind of scrolling option buried somewhere I never found.

See attachment for screen shot of a sample of what I mean.  Note no horizontal scroll bar and 200% screen enlargement.

The main thing was I was wondering if there was a quotable text source instead of an image.  No, so that's that.

Terry



Say, what was the topic anyhow?

[Doggy Daddy]

^ If you're talking about HeroHog's thumbnail, I know about clicking on it to enlarge it.  What I'm saying is that it still chops off the right side of the text image and there's no horizontal scroll bar to move the image around.  Same thing happens with large regular images, of course.

Not for me.  What's your screen resolution?

[Hawkmoon]

^ If you're talking about HeroHog's thumbnail, I know about clicking on it to enlarge it.  What I'm saying is that it still chops off the right side of the text image and there's no horizontal scroll bar to move the image around.  Same thing happens with large regular images, of course.

Interesting. Not on my screen.

[Nick1911]

You might find this chrome plugin handy:  https://projectnaptha.com

It automatically finds text in images and makes it selectable.  Works surprising well.

[HeroHog]

Ok, That's just COOL! Thanks Nick1911!