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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2018, 10:20:20 PM »
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2018, 06:44:11 AM »
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2018, 09:40:08 AM »
Yep.  Also if anyone ever says anything to you about cultural appropriation, throw Elizabeth Warren back in their face.  A classic example.  A rich white woman claiming to be part Cherokee solely for her own benefit.

I heard an interview yesterday that mentioned how liberal the leadership of the Cherokee tribe is.  If Warren had actually done things to help them, she probably would have gotten support from them instead of scorn.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #53 on: October 19, 2018, 10:30:30 AM »
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #54 on: October 19, 2018, 11:40:55 AM »
Except that 1868 isn't far enough back. My grandfather (two generations back) was born in 1888. To get as far back as Warren's alleged DNA scrap/hint, I think you have to back at least another hundred years -- or more.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2018, 03:56:18 PM »
Except that 1868 isn't far enough back. My grandfather (two generations back) was born in 1888. To get as far back as Warren's alleged DNA scrap/hint, I think you have to back at least another hundred years -- or more.

(PSST... those are both White people who were living with the Indians)

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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2018, 07:15:47 PM »
I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:

How long is a generation?  (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)

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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2018, 08:21:54 PM »
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2018, 10:28:47 PM »
I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:

How long is a generation?  (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)

https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation

Depends.  My mom was 42 when my sister was 12.  She volunteered at the Philadelphia zoo that summer.
 The other girls volunteering at the zoo (my sister was the token white girl) had grandmothers the same age as my mom.

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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #61 on: October 22, 2018, 12:41:45 AM »
I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:

How long is a generation?  (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)

https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation

I thought it was more like 18 or 20.

However, in terms of a question like Warren's situation, number of years isn't the issue. It's literally how many generations intervened between the [purported] Native American ancestor and Ms. warren herself.

As an example, in researching whether I am eligible for membership in Sons of the American Revolution (I found that I am -- my paternal grandfather was an enrolled member, and I likely qualify on my mother's side as well), I traced my ancestry as far back as the Revolution. (Actually, my grandfather did it -- I only had to add my father's generation and myself). For me to get back to the American Revolution ancestor takes me back six generation steps (i.e. if I'm generation 1, the qualifying ancestor is generation 7. He was born in 1737 and died in 1793). If Warren's purported Native American genetic link is 8 to 10 generations back, that almost certainly means before the American Revolution, and therefore MANY years before the trail of tears and the conquest of the Native Americans by the bluecoats.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #62 on: October 22, 2018, 05:25:03 AM »
I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:

How long is a generation?  (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)

https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation

Yes, the particular article I selected showed several variations on how to figure a "generation."  That was only one article out of a bunch which turned up on a search.

In total, the "explanations" ranged from 18-25 years to 38 years.  I don't remember for sure where I got the "30 years" I always thought it was, but it was probably in a High School Civics class in the 1950s.  Maybe my high school teacher did a Google search and averaged the results. :D

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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2018, 11:18:37 AM »
Yes, the particular article I selected showed several variations on how to figure a "generation."  That was only one article out of a bunch which turned up on a search.

In total, the "explanations" ranged from 18-25 years to 38 years.  I don't remember for sure where I got the "30 years" I always thought it was, but it was probably in a High School Civics class in the 1950s.  Maybe my high school teacher did a Google search and averaged the results. :D


FWIW, if I take my great^4 grandfather's birth date to mine, the span is 207 years. Divide that by 6 generations' difference, and you get 34.5 years.

Honestly, I was very surprised.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2018, 11:21:36 AM »
FWIW, if I take my great^4 grandfather's birth date to mine, the span is 207 years. Divide that by 6 generations' difference, and you get 34.5 years.

Honestly, I was very surprised.

Modernity has allowed for much later child-bearing years. I'd expect that if you would start from your great grandfather and go back 6 generations, you'll find that it's closer to 20.

Now I'll really throw a wrench, but there are people alive today whose GRANDFATHER, not great, not ^4, just Grandfather was born in 1790.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2018, 05:28:27 PM »
https://www.dailywire.com/news/37443/elizabeth-warren-rips-ice-its-not-making-us-safer-hank-berrien

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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2018, 06:32:11 PM »
https://www.dailywire.com/news/37443/elizabeth-warren-rips-ice-its-not-making-us-safer-hank-berrien

A real Indian would understand the importance of controlling the borders.

I see what you did there ...

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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2018, 12:13:08 AM »
What Hawkmoon said.  Except I didn't want to compliment fistful directly. =D
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2018, 12:31:29 AM »
What Hawkmoon said.  Except I didn't want to compliment fistful directly. =D

Well, it is an awfully long line.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2018, 12:36:10 AM »
Well, it is an awfully long line.

No, that's the "blame fistful" line. Easy mistake to make, since they're right next to each other.  :police:
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2018, 02:52:50 AM »
Modernity has allowed for much later child-bearing years. I'd expect that if you would start from your great grandfather and go back 6 generations, you'll find that it's closer to 20.

Now I'll really throw a wrench, but there are people alive today whose GRANDFATHER, not great, not ^4, just Grandfather was born in 1790.

I just happened to run across this quotation that I took from a book - can't recall which one. I think it's either Bailyn or Hofstadter. Anyway, seemed apropos.

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We tend to see the colonial period in American history foreshortened by time. We need to remember that by 1787 Englishmen had been living in North America for over 170 years. Some of the men at the Convention had great-great-great-grandparents who had been born Americans and who had died a hundred years before. Families like Martin's had worked farms that their grandfathers had worked, and laid flower before gravestones that in 1787 were moss-stained and eroded by a century and a half of weather.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2018, 05:32:13 PM »
Boy, if she gets away with this without dire and drastic political and economic consequences, all bets are off.
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2018, 06:36:47 PM »
Doesn’t claiming the Indian ancestry kinda give away the lie about white privilege?
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Re: I guess Elizabeth Warren is Running in 2020
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2018, 08:49:38 PM »
Doesn’t claiming the Indian ancestry kinda give away the lie about white privilege?

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