Your diesel car is probably greener then your electric car

[Scout26]

It may take up to 10 years before your diesel car produces more emissions then a green electric.  Simply because this factors in the amount of CO2 used to produce the car (including batteries) and then produce the electricity to charge it.  Again proving that there's no such thing as a free lunch...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-16/the-dirt-on-clean-electric-cars

[TechMan]

Ask VW about that...

[K Frame]

I just wish Subaru would bring a diesel to the US.

[TechMan]

I just wish Subaru would bring a diesel to the US.

So do I.

[Scout26]

There are many manufacturers that would love to bring diesels to the US, but our retarded EPA hates diesels.  That's why VW had to cheat.  Cars that are considered "green" in Europe are "Da Ebil" here because they use that nasty diesel fuel.

[TechMan]

I just wish Subaru would bring a diesel to the US.

I got sad news for you:  https://www.torquenews.com/1084/get-subaru-diesel-outback-forester-now-they-re-gone

[Fly320s]

Ask VW about that...

I did.  VW said, "Halte mein bier."

[TechMan]

I did.  VW said, "Halte mein bier."

 

[Ben]

Maybe the newest diesels are a different animal, but after having dealt with a post 2007 diesel engine in my previous 2008 F-250, I don't think  I want one ever again. I'm looking to buy a mid-compact tractor and am almost dreading getting the diesel on that.

[Hawkmoon]

There are many manufacturers that would love to bring diesels to the US, but our retarded EPA hates diesels.  That's why VW had to cheat.  Cars that are considered "green" in Europe are "Da Ebil" here because they use that nasty diesel fuel.

In part because our emission standards are still regulated on a parts-per-million basis rather than a parts-per-mile basis. So a big V8 that pushes three times the volume of air-fuel through it tests a few PPM "cleaner" than a compact car with a small engine ... even though in real world use the small car emits far less pollution.

I have a friend who works in a VW dealership. His daily commute is an hour each way. He recently picked up an older VW diesel to use for getting to work. He's getting 57 miles per gallon. His other cars are a Chevy Suburban and an old Jeep Grand Cherokee. Both of the SUVs get in the mid-teens for gas mileage. But they pass emissions, so they're "clean."

[230RN]

I just wish Subaru would bring a diesel to the US.

My '97 (gasoline) has been passing the emissions test with flying colors.  My son wisecracked that the stuff coming out the back was cleaner than the air going in the front.

[Firethorn]

Maybe the newest diesels are a different animal, but after having dealt with a post 2007 diesel engine in my previous 2008 F-250, I don't think  I want one ever again. I'm looking to buy a mid-compact tractor and am almost dreading getting the diesel on that.

It may end up being like the toilets when they passed the water standards.  The first X years failed to suck( ), but after that they developed some standards, put development work in, and now the best water saving toilets actually flush better than the old versions.

That said, they keep toughening the standards.

@230RN - Your son is actually correct in many areas of the country.  The emission systems will actually remove existing smog from the atmosphere

[brimic]

It may end up being like the toilets when they passed the water standards.  The first X years failed to suck( ), but after that they developed some standards, put development work in, and now the best water saving toilets actually flush better than the old versions.

That said, they keep toughening the standards.

@230RN - Your son is actually correct in many areas of the country.  The emission systems will actually remove existing smog from the atmosphere

Unfortunately, now you have to buy a $300 toilet to work as well as the old toilets that costed $75, to save $10 worth of water per year... I completely get the point of saving water where humans are packed into hives where water is relatively scarce, but there are a lot of us that live within spitting distance of enormous fresh water seas.

[Firethorn]

Unfortunately, now you have to buy a $300 toilet to work as well as the old toilets that costed $75, to save $10 worth of water per year... I completely get the point of saving water where humans are packed into hives where water is relatively scarce, but there are a lot of us that live within spitting distance of enormous fresh water seas.

More like $100, and are you accounting for inflation?

Like I said, the new toilets, assuming you research at all, flush better than the old ones.  Given that I've been known to clog them, I bought a highly rated one and have never had a problem.

I'm on a well, so the water savings move me not one whit.  I like the fast recovery (when you're only pushing like 1.3 gallons, it recovers ~4X faster than when it has to recover 5), the solid flushing power, etc...

[Ben]

Unfortunately, now you have to buy a $300

On the newer diesels, this is also why I'm currently not interested. The price delta, coupled with diesel prices, is just too high for me. Gasoline engines get pretty good MPGs these days, so I'm not sure when the cost recovery would come after you factor in higher maintenance costs, repair costs, etc. Gasoline engines also last a long time nowadays, so the longevity factor is not much of a consideration either, IMO.

[MechAg94]

More like $100, and are you accounting for inflation?

Like I said, the new toilets, assuming you research at all, flush better than the old ones.  Given that I've been known to clog them, I bought a highly rated one and have never had a problem.

I'm on a well, so the water savings move me not one whit.  I like the fast recovery (when you're only pushing like 1.3 gallons, it recovers ~4X faster than when it has to recover 5), the solid flushing power, etc...

I replaced on of mine with a Kohler last year.  Works great.  I think it was a little over $100, but not near $300.  There was one that was advertised to flush a bucket of golf balls that was about the same price.  The extra height and larger seat are really good also.

[brimic]

I replaced on of mine with a Kohler last year.  Works great.  I think it was a little over $100, but not near $300.  There was one that was advertised to flush a bucket of golf balls that was about the same price.  The extra height and larger seat are really good also.

I installed the golf ball bucket one (American Standard, I think) in my old house, was around $250 or so. Maybe prices have come down.
I really need to get a new toilet in current house, I have one of the craptastic el-cheapo low flow toilets- its always a double flush with a plunging in between ordeal.

[Boomhauer]

Tier 4 still sucks, now not only do you still have the EGR and DPF issues of the Tier 4 Interim engines now you get the fun of DEF systems with Tier 4 final

[Firethorn]

I installed the golf ball bucket one (American Standard, I think) in my old house, was around $250 or so. Maybe prices have come down.
I really need to get a new toilet in current house, I have one of the craptastic el-cheapo low flow toilets- its always a double flush with a plunging in between ordeal.

You can certainly pay more, they're always willing to take your money, but you can get a 4/5 or 5/5 star flush rated toilet for not much over $100.

Poor performance was why I replaced the one old-style full flush toilet, so I know those can be crappy as well.

I certainly recommend replacement given your description.  If it saves me a plunging once a month, it's worth even $300.

Just, when you go in, I'd recommend 3 things:
1.  Handicapped height.  They're nice.
2.  Elongated bowl - more comfortable(to me).
3.  Maximum flush capability.  They should have some rating system on the in store displays.

Golf balls are a gimmick.  The actual testing that is worth involves soy paste of various extruded sizes.  It's "realistic". 

[Ben]

Just, when you go in, I'd recommend 3 things:
1.  Handicapped height.  They're nice.
2.  Elongated bowl - more comfortable(to me).
3.  Maximum flush capability.  They should have some rating system on the in store displays.

I agree with all those three things. Especially handicap or "comfort height". At 6' 3" I'm sold on that.

[Larry Ashcraft]

The 1.3 GPF toilets in our new house work perfectly.  And, as my mom told me many years ago "It's not against the law to flush twice".

Maybe the newest diesels are a different animal, but after having dealt with a post 2007 diesel engine in my previous 2008 F-250, I don't think  I want one ever again.

I live in farm country, and almost everybody around here has a diesel pickup, including myself.  There seems to be no love for the Ford diesels after the 7.3.  I'm a Ford guy, but my Silverado with a DuraMax has been a gem, currently at 221K miles.  I bought it in 2006 at a steal, with 70K miles on it.  It's currently worth more than I paid for it.

[dm1333]

I wonder how diesels in the  Ram 1500 and Ford F150 will do against motors like the Chevrolet 1500 with a 2.7l 4 cl turbo?

[Hawkmoon]

The 1.3 GPF toilets in our new house work perfectly.  And, as my mom told me many years ago "It's not against the law to flush twice".

^^^ This.

Some of the new-fangled toilets may be able to clear #2 in a single flush, but that 1.3 gallons isn't enough to carry the load very far in the pipes. A second flush helps ... some.

[230RN]

...

Some of the new-fangled toilets may be able to clear #2 in a single flush, but that 1.3 gallons isn't enough to carry the load very far in the pipes. A second flush helps ... some.

Didn't I read somewhere recently that the municipal water/sewer people had to add water to the sewer lines because with all the water-saving efforts, including the new toilets, the "stuff" wasn't getting through the sewer lines properly?

Terry, 230RN

[230RN]

...

I completely get the point of saving water where humans are packed into hives where water is relatively scarce, but there are a lot of us who live within spitting distance of enormous fresh water seas.

Still another example of the problems of high-population-density areas screwing it up for everybody else.  Because "Democracy !"

Terry, 230RN