Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect

[WLJ]

Oh look! A distraction! And maybe a little pressure on Trump?
And CNN just happened to be there when the FBI showed up at Stone's door.

Roger Stone Has Been Arrested
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/01/25/roger-stone-n2540236

[Jamisjockey]

I hear that New Yawk is having problems 

And PHL

[MechAg94]

Jamis,
Thinking about some of your comments:  How many layers of supervisions/management are between you and a cabinet post in the Administration?  I have a feeling that number is high, but I don't know.

[Jamisjockey]

Jamis,
Thinking about some of your comments:  How many layers of supervisions/management are between you and a cabinet post in the Administration?  I have a feeling that number is high, but I don't know.

Me personally?  A lot.  The shortest route? Controller>supervisor>operational manager>facility manager>District manager>ATO COO>Deputy Administrator>Administrator


So thinking more about this there's some oddities that don't add up.

congressional bill for backpay said excepted employees would be charged leave.
Then a few days ago, OPM guidance in an unsigned memo comes down saying that managers should consider punitive action for calling out sick. 
Then, wed the OPM does a full 180 and reverses that memo, and goes further to say that excepted employees who take time off should be considered in furlough (which means uncharged for leave, back paid at base rate for those days off)
We receive very liberal guidance from the agency on leave usage
And then the bills get voted down yesterday.
Like it's a calculated move to encourage us to take sick leave.
I've seen news reports of small airports with 0 TSA workers showing up.

[Ben]

Also, to reiterate how serious (yes, I'm being facetious) everyone is for ending this, apparently once again 90% of Congress went home last night for another three day weekend.

The ATC problems may be a wake-up though. In the last couple of hours, I've been blasted with more news of airport delay stories than all the TSA worker stories combined since the shutdown.

I also saw 14,000 IRS workers called in sick.

[brimic]

Also, to reiterate how serious (yes, I'm being facetious) everyone is for ending this, apparently once again 90% of Congress went home last night for another three day weekend.

What happens when they can't fly back to DC because there aren't any ATCs? 

[Ben]

What happens when they can't fly back to DC because there aren't any ATCs? 

 

[Jamisjockey]

What happens when they can't fly back to DC because there aren't any ATCs? 

I don't think they've started leaving yet. 
See my above chain of events. 
I don't give extra credit unnecessarily to the administration.  They *expletive deleted*ck up a lot.  But damn if the sudden reversal doesn't make you think.
Saw a news story at least one smaller airport had 0 TSA workers show up today.

[Jamisjockey]

14,000 IRS workers didn't show up today.
airport delay list is growing.
All of the sudden, there's a deal on the table being hammered out.
3 week CR > negotiations over further funding > declaration of emergency if he doesn't get his way.

[Ben]

14,000 IRS workers didn't show up today.
airport delay list is growing.
All of the sudden, there's a deal on the table being hammered out.
3 week CR > negotiations over further funding > declaration of emergency if he doesn't get his way.

More evidence that if you want to have a shutdown, have a real damn shutdown. This would have all been concluded in 72 hours or less.

[Jamisjockey]

More evidence that if you want to have a shutdown, have a real damn shutdown. This would have all been concluded in 72 hours or less.

Hell, the ATC delays were marginal too.  I've seen worse for thunderstorms.  And I'm on board for real shutdowns.  No excepted employees.  Everyone goes home.  Hell, I'll even go without backpay for that.

[Jamisjockey]

Deal reached.  Not signed yet. 

[Ben]

From what I can see, there is zero barrier funding in this deal, which seems to leave three alternatives:

1) Another partial shutdown as Pelosi continues to say "no" over the three week period.
2) No more shutdowns and Trump caves on the wall, because Pelosi will never say "yes".
   2A) Another partial shutdown starts, but Trump caves.
3) Emergency powers used for the wall.

I don't really like any of those alternatives. I'd love to see some dems rise up and give Pelosi a smack down, but I don't think it will happen. I'm curious if there will be a SOTU on 29JAN.

Edit: Also, ironically, it appears that estimates for the cost of the shutdown are right around $5 billion. Why does that number sound familiar? 

[Ben]

.@SpeakerPelosi asked if she’d now be open to a deal that included wall $. "Have I not been clear on the wall? No, I've been very clear on the wall."

"Hopefully, the President has learned his lesson," says @SenSchumer

[BobR]

.@SpeakerPelosi asked if she’d now be open to a deal that included wall $. "Have I not been clear on the wall? No, I've been very clear on the wall."

"Hopefully, the President has learned his lesson," says @SenSchumer

Jesus, in 3 weeks it will be a *expletive deleted*it show, guaranteed.

bob

[Jamisjockey]

Jesus, in 3 weeks it will be a *expletive deleted*it show, guaranteed.

bob

Let us miss a couple paychecks again and see how it goes... they started shitting kittens this morning and the surface was barely scratched.

[lee n. field]

What happens when they can't fly back to DC because there aren't any ATCs? 

feature, not bug

[dogmush]

*expletive deleted*ck.

He's going to have the DOD build it.  For *expletive deleted*s sake.


There's no way he'd cave on this and be a chump on his one major campaign promise.

[zxcvbob]

*expletive deleted*ck.

He's going to have the DOD build it.  For *expletive deleted*s sake.

There's no way he'd cave on this and be a chump on his one major campaign promise.

He can declare an emergency, but where does he get the money to build anything?  Does the DoD have that much discretionary funds not part of the budget they are fighting over?

[dogmush]

Cancel an F35.

[TommyGunn]

.@SpeakerPelosi asked if she’d now be open to a deal that included wall $. "Have I not been clear on the wall? No, I've been very clear on the wall."

"Hopefully, the President has learned his lesson," says @SenSchumer

Boy,  Schumer is a  real @$$.!!!!   

[BobR]

He can declare an emergency, but where does he get the money to build anything?  Does the DoD have that much discretionary funds not part of the budget they are fighting over?

Do you really think those toilet seat, coffee cups, hammers, etc cost 500-1000 dollars a pop?

bob

[WLJ]

Do you really think those toilet seat, coffee cups, hammers, etc cost 500-1000 dollars a pop?

bob

Unfortunately yes

[Angel Eyes]

Do you really think those toilet seat, coffee cups, hammers, etc cost 500-1000 dollars a pop?

Of course not, but that money got diverted to the secret research facility in Area 51.  If we defund that, how will we defend ourselves when the aliens* attack?










*extraterrestrials, not the other kind.

[BobR]

Of course not, but that money got diverted to the secret research facility in Area 51.  If we defund that, how will we defend ourselves when the aliens* attack?


Area 51 is common knowledge now. Now it is being used to fund a tiny section in NW Nevada, doesn't even have a name, they just call it restricted airspace on the charts.

bob







*extraterrestrials, not the other kind.