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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #200 on: January 25, 2019, 09:00:17 PM »
First, the Independence Day references are money


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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #201 on: January 25, 2019, 09:04:35 PM »
Damnit wrong file
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #202 on: January 25, 2019, 09:30:59 PM »
Of course not, but that money got diverted to the secret research facility in Area 51.  If we defund that, how will we defend ourselves when the aliens* attack?

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #203 on: January 26, 2019, 08:42:02 AM »
 :rofl: :rofl:
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2019, 10:05:44 AM »
:rofl: :rofl:

Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think federal employees did themselves any favors with the going to food banks a day after the first missed check went by, or by complaining that they didn't have the money for gas to get to work.

At a current average salary of around $80K/yr, they make more dough than the average American. $50K/yr people who work in the private sector, where they can be fired or laid off at a drop of a hat, can't sympathize with stuff like that.

Anyone, whether gov or private sector, that can't make it through one missed paycheck without hitting the food bank and having to walk there because their car is out of gas, is likely living above their means. They need to cut out the cable or use a dumb phone instead of an iPhone X or something until they have a few hundred to a few thousand dollars in an emergency fund.

Most gov employees have credit cards. They could have used those for food or gas for a couple of weeks (just as they'd likely be doing without the shutdown), since unlike private sector employees, they knew they were getting paid at some point to pay back the card. Also they had the option to take an interest free TSP loan. Even if they don't contribute to TSP, the gov does for them, so only an under one year employee would have less than a few hundred dollars in the account. Most are going to have thousands to tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in their TSP that they could have used to buy groceries or make a house payment. Once you get your back pay, put the dough back in the TSP - it's practically seamless. Though lenders, utilities, etc. were giving fed employees breaks on due dates of their bills that no one in the private sector gets if they are laid off.

So while it's never cool to be expected to work without pay or be furloughed, the fed employees* that made the news did not do fed employees in general any favors. I guess they made good soundbytes for liberal politicians, but none of that endeared them to working people in general.


*I'll caveat the USCG here. While they are actually in general paid well (and have TSP), I know newbie enlisted in the USCG don't make much money until they move up to around E-3.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #205 on: January 26, 2019, 10:24:27 AM »
Oh I fully agree. That was a bad look.  Our union hammered on degrading safety because of work not being done on equipment, programs being halted, etc.  We are now over 2 months behind on projects that were supposed to be completed this FY.  Modernization and upgrades the airlines desperately want done.

It was also fully intentional on the part of the media. They searched out the people who really couldn't miss a paycheck, or were willing to play the victim card.
This is also why the real breaking point was the second missed paycheck with the senate voting no on both of those bills.  All indications were that it would be another 30 days, because the house and senate were entering a home-work period.  Most were headed back to their districts this weekend.  Our union's lead legislative rep didn't expect any movement for 30 more days.

And being expected to work for eventual backpay? *expletive deleted*ck that.  That's a dick move on the government.  They get their cake and to eat it, too.
Shut it down all the way next time or not at all.  These fake shutdowns are bullshit.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #206 on: January 26, 2019, 10:35:13 AM »
Oh I fully agree. That was a bad look.  Our union hammered on degrading safety because of work not being done on equipment, programs being halted, etc.  We are now over 2 months behind on projects that were supposed to be completed this FY.  Modernization and upgrades the airlines desperately want done.

In fact I'll bet you dollars to donuts, very little of that kind of stuff makes it into the MSM, and adding it all up across agencies, it'll be a lot of dough. It's also something that might be more sympathized with by average Americans, because their taxes have to pay for that.

Instead, the MSM focused on the TSA people hired off the back of pizza boxes. Which was also funny, because the lefty MSM usually attacks (in many ways rightly, IMO) TSA. Yet throughout the shutdown, they were the heroes of the people.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #207 on: January 26, 2019, 10:48:13 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/few-americans-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

Perhaps this does not apply to APS members, but 60% of Americans cannot cover a $ 1000 emergency bill.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #208 on: January 26, 2019, 10:56:52 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/few-americans-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

Perhaps this does not apply to APS members, but 60% of Americans cannot cover a $ 1000 emergency bill.

Most people do live paycheck to paycheck. 

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #209 on: January 26, 2019, 10:57:17 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/few-americans-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

Perhaps this does not apply to APS members, but 60% of Americans cannot cover a $ 1000 emergency bill.

One reason I said "anyone" above. There are always legitimate exceptions, but all too often, especially at the lower income levels, the latest smartphone is more important than $500 socked away for emergencies.

Also, JMO, but if you're relatively wealthy (on paper) and buy a $100K fancy car but don't have the money for a new water heater, it's hard for me to feel sorry for you.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #210 on: January 26, 2019, 10:57:39 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/few-americans-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

Perhaps this does not apply to APS members, but 60% of Americans cannot cover a $ 1000 emergency bill.

I have seen those articles.  I've also seen articles with the $400 number thrown out as what most people can't cover.

The Mean Household Income in the US is ~$70k, and the Median is ~$52k.  While there is real poverty in the US, and a few places that are crushingly expensive to live, I look at those incomes, and the 60% of the US number, and have to come to the conclusion that ~30%-35% of Americans are stupid and reckless when it comes to their finances.  I understand not having 3 or 4 months bills tucked away somewhere, but you should be able to come up with $1k liquid if you are making $50k-$70k.  Those folks are making poor decisions.

I have an employee that works in my shop (Fed.gov employee + Army Reservist) Who I know for a fact takes home $65k a year.  He can't keep his car running and his $89k house is being foreclosed on.  But it's not because he's got poverty wages or anything, it's because he makes stupid decisions.

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #211 on: January 26, 2019, 11:51:15 AM »
One reason I said "anyone" above. There are always legitimate exceptions, but all too often, especially at the lower income levels, the latest smartphone is more important than $500 socked away for emergencies.

Also, JMO, but if you're relatively wealthy (on paper) and buy a $100K fancy car but don't have the money for a new water heater, it's hard for me to feel sorry for you.

It's because if they blow all their money on candy, when something important but unscheduled comes up (medical bill, car repair, etc) they expect someone soft-hearted (soft-headed is more like it) to pay it for them, and they'll never have to pay the money back.  So they get their bills paid and candy too.  Leeches is what they really are.  They spend all their money specifically so they won't have it for emergencies.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #212 on: January 26, 2019, 12:15:52 PM »
It's because if they blow all their money on candy, when something important but unscheduled comes up (medical bill, car repair, etc) they expect someone soft-hearted (soft-headed is more like it) to pay it for them, and they'll never have to pay the money back.  So they get their bills paid and candy too.  Leeches is what they really are.  They spend all their money specifically so they won't have it for emergencies.

One (not really ha ha) funny article I read interviewed a TSA worker. She said she wouldn't have been able to eat if Chick-Fil-A wasn't providing lunch at her airport. She also said how unfair it was that (paraphrasing) someone like her, putting her life on the line protecting the public with a badge, but they don't even get her a gun, is being hurt like this.

One of her more infuriating quotes regarded the interviewer bringing up the 0% interest loans that Navy Federal Credit Union was making available to all impacted workers. She complained that if she took the loan, they would make her give the money back with her back pay, so how does that help her?  ;/
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #213 on: January 26, 2019, 12:35:35 PM »
Not to be a party pooper, but I don't think federal employees did themselves any favors with the going to food banks a day after the first missed check went by, or by complaining that they didn't have the money for gas to get to work.

At a current average salary of around $80K/yr, they make more dough than the average American. $50K/yr people who work in the private sector, where they can be fired or laid off at a drop of a hat, can't sympathize with stuff like that.

Anyone, whether gov or private sector, that can't make it through one missed paycheck without hitting the food bank and having to walk there because their car is out of gas, is likely living above their means. They need to cut out the cable or use a dumb phone instead of an iPhone X or something until they have a few hundred to a few thousand dollars in an emergency fund.

Most gov employees have credit cards. They could have used those for food or gas for a couple of weeks (just as they'd likely be doing without the shutdown), since unlike private sector employees, they knew they were getting paid at some point to pay back the card. Also they had the option to take an interest free TSP loan. Even if they don't contribute to TSP, the gov does for them, so only an under one year employee would have less than a few hundred dollars in the account. Most are going to have thousands to tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in their TSP that they could have used to buy groceries or make a house payment. Once you get your back pay, put the dough back in the TSP - it's practically seamless. Though lenders, utilities, etc. were giving fed employees breaks on due dates of their bills that no one in the private sector gets if they are laid off.

So while it's never cool to be expected to work without pay or be furloughed, the fed employees* that made the news did not do fed employees in general any favors. I guess they made good soundbytes for liberal politicians, but none of that endeared them to working people in general.


*I'll caveat the USCG here. While they are actually in general paid well (and have TSP), I know newbie enlisted in the USCG don't make much money until they move up to around E-3.

Speaking of both USCG personnel and local federal employees, Hurricane Florence wiped out a lot of rainy day funds, same thing  down in Panama City.

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #214 on: January 26, 2019, 02:57:44 PM »
Well, why should any of these people manage their money properly? It's not like their bosses can figure out a budget either.

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #215 on: January 26, 2019, 06:11:35 PM »
Having traveled to Vegas and back (Mon- there, Fri- Chicago).  I saw a lot fewer TSA folks yet, the lines we a lot less and moved faster then when there are "Thousands Standing Around".
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #216 on: January 27, 2019, 06:15:08 AM »
Well, why should any of these people manage their money properly? It's not like their bosses can figure out a budget either.

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #217 on: January 27, 2019, 07:07:39 AM »
Having traveled to Vegas and back (Mon- there, Fri- Chicago).  I saw a lot fewer TSA folks yet, the lines we a lot less and moved faster then when there are "Thousands Standing Around".

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #218 on: January 27, 2019, 02:40:45 PM »
So it appears Pelosi will still not allow the SOTU on 29JAN, and is in fact thinking of giving one herself. What would be hilarious is if Trump gives the SOTU at the exact same time in a different venue. :)
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #219 on: January 27, 2019, 03:14:25 PM »
So it appears Pelosi will still not allow the SOTU on 29JAN, and is in fact thinking of giving one herself. What would be hilarious is if Trump gives the SOTU at the exact same time in a different venue. :)

Which  means he will choose the venue and it will be a rally not an SOTU.  And she looks like a petty tyrant for denying the sitting President the podium in front of the house and senate.
She whipped his ass with the shutdown....and is going to hand him a victory on a silver platter over the SOTU?  God damn she's dumb.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #220 on: January 27, 2019, 04:11:08 PM »
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #221 on: January 27, 2019, 04:23:15 PM »
So it appears Pelosi will still not allow the SOTU on 29JAN, and is in fact thinking of giving one herself. What would be hilarious is if Trump gives the SOTU at the exact same time in a different venue. :)

Da Faq?

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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #222 on: January 27, 2019, 05:14:38 PM »
Da Faq?

Why?

Petulance?

I just heard this via Steve Scalice on the newz this morning, so don't know how concrete it is. He was talking about maybe 05FEB, but I don't know if that was his suggestion for an alternate time, or what. He said the President was ready to do it on 29JAN.
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #223 on: January 27, 2019, 06:38:19 PM »
Only place the story was linked on yahoo news...so forgive the huffpo.
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/nancy-pelosi-trump-apos-state-095517171.html
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Re: Partial Gov Shut Down in Effect
« Reply #224 on: January 28, 2019, 12:09:43 PM »
Isn't the State of the Union a constitutional requirement?

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