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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2019, 11:02:20 AM »
Even Mubarek eventually bought the farm in Egypt. Sooner or later los soldados are going to wake up and realize that their families are starving because of him.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #101 on: May 09, 2019, 09:58:01 PM »
Where the coup go?
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #102 on: May 28, 2019, 09:10:51 AM »
Fun Fun Fun

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The New York Times recently compiled the list of issues facing the nation. For starters, hyperinflation is about to hit…10 million percent.

And gangs taking over whole towns

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/05/28/total-disaster-venezuelas-failed-socialist-experiment-produces-worst-collapse-o-n2546591
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #103 on: May 28, 2019, 09:48:34 AM »
In one of the comments, someone asked if Hillary was elected, how long before the US looked like Venezuela? 

IMO, quite a while.  Even Venezuela took a while fall apart under Chavez and his predecessor.  The pro-Communists had plenty of time to crow about what a great job they were doing even while oil production tanked.  I think it could take a good while for the US to fall that far. 
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #104 on: May 28, 2019, 10:35:16 AM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on May 28, 2019, 09:48:34 AM
In one of the comments, someone asked if Hillary was elected, how long before the US looked like Venezuela?  

IMO, quite a while.  Even Venezuela took a while fall apart under Chavez and his predecessor.  The pro-Communists had plenty of time to crow about what a great job they were doing even while oil production tanked.  I think it could take a good while for the US to fall that far.  

"There is a great deal of ruin in a nation" -Adam Smith

It would PROBABLY take some time to get to the point of Argentina. VENEZUELA. (Though Argentina is also a possible future, too.)

Probably.

One thing that bothers me is the role the US has in the world. IF the main driver of the world economy/keeper of the peace/source of innovation stopped propping up the world system, what would happen?

I'm not even sure what that would look like, but the thought gives me pause.

Another thought: Argentina has done this without a natural disaster, as well. The U.S. is a much larger country, with several natural disaster-prone areas.

Imagine Argentina with a major earthquake. Or a volcano. Use your imagination for a disaster appropriate to your home.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #105 on: May 28, 2019, 10:20:37 PM »
How did we segue from Venezuela to Argentina?
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #106 on: May 29, 2019, 05:39:25 AM »
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How did we segue from Venezuela to Argentina?

Freudian slip?
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #107 on: May 29, 2019, 06:44:29 AM »
Trump is doing the absolute correct thing in VZ. 

Nothing. 

It will collapse (or implode) of it's own accord, no point in us being accused of installing another Pinochet.  They can install their own this time...
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #108 on: May 29, 2019, 10:05:24 AM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 29, 2019, 05:39:25 AM
Freudian slip?

Pretty much. VENEZUELA. Not Argentina. They were in a less worse situation a decade ago, but still very bad.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #109 on: May 29, 2019, 04:25:43 PM »
Quote from: Amy Schumer on May 29, 2019, 06:44:29 AM
Trump is doing the absolute correct thing in VZ. 

Nothing. 

It will collapse (or implode) of it's own accord, no point in us being accused of installing another Pinochet.  They can install their own this time...

too late:

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/guaido-venezuela-us-puppet/
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #110 on: May 30, 2019, 08:24:55 AM »
One of the prime drivers of the Argentine invasion of the Falkland islands in 1982 was to focus patriotic feelings towards reclaiming the Falklands as a means of diverting public attention from an absolutely catastrophic economic situation and increasing unrest and violence against the ruling military government.

There's been some speculation that Maduro might try the same thing given the tenuous relations its had with Colombia, but I think that ship has really sailed for their being any support of such an action.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #111 on: May 30, 2019, 08:38:34 AM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on May 30, 2019, 08:24:55 AM
One of the prime drivers of the Argentine invasion of the Falkland islands in 1982 was to focus patriotic feelings towards reclaiming the Falklands as a means of diverting public attention from an absolutely catastrophic economic situation and increasing unrest and violence against the ruling military government.

There's been some speculation that Maduro might try the same thing given the tenuous relations its had with Colombia, but I think that ship has really sailed for their being any support of such an action.

I've had the same thought for a while. The Falklands certainly wasn't the first and not the last time a war was started for the purpose of distracting the people from a country's internal problems.
Maduro biggest fear at this point is the military turning on him and he might start something just to give them sometime else to do while he and the top brass make off with the gold.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #112 on: May 30, 2019, 08:44:46 AM »
Maduro and the rest of his and Hugo's cronies have already bled Venezuela dry.

I saw an interesting article some months ago that stated that pretty much everyone in the top echelon of the Chavez/Maduro governments is a billionaire.

Regarding starting something with Colombia or one of its other neighbors, I agree -- the situation has become so grim for so many in Venezuela that there's simply no longer much, if any, public emotion to redirect.

As bad as Argentina's economic problems were in the 1970s and 1980s in the lead up to the Falklands war the people still had adequate food supplies, they still had adequate medical care, and there was still toilet paper. None of that is true in Venezuela right now.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #113 on: May 30, 2019, 08:52:36 AM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on May 30, 2019, 08:44:46 AM
Maduro and the rest of his and Hugo's cronies have already bled Venezuela dry.

I'm sure Maduro and gang have nest eggs hidden in various places.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #114 on: May 30, 2019, 08:57:21 AM »
Quote from: WLJ on May 30, 2019, 08:52:36 AM
I'm sure Maduro and gang have nest eggs hidden in various places.

Of course they do. If by "nest egg" you mean $$BILLIONS$$

And those various places are ALL "not Venezuela".
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #115 on: May 30, 2019, 09:31:24 AM »
Quote from: WLJ on May 30, 2019, 08:52:36 AM
I'm sure Maduro and gang have nest eggs hidden in various places Havana.

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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #116 on: May 30, 2019, 11:25:03 AM »
Probably Bolivia and Nicaragua in addition to Cuba.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #117 on: May 30, 2019, 11:29:37 AM »
Most socialist despots know, for good reason, that it's usually not a good idea to put their money in the hands of another socialist despot
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #118 on: May 30, 2019, 12:40:39 PM »
Quote from: WLJ on May 30, 2019, 11:29:37 AM
Most socialist despots know, for good reason, that it's usually not a good idea to put their money in the hands of another socialist despot

This. They've most likely established slush funds in the traditional haven nations -- Cayman Islands, Switzerland, Andorra, Nevis, Singapore...
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #119 on: May 31, 2019, 08:43:24 AM »
This sounds plausible, but launching a day early screwed up the timing of the defections from Maduro.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelan-businessman-joined-plot-to-oust-maduroand-escape-sanctions-11558958520?mod=searchresults&page=1&pos=1
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2019, 05:16:04 PM »
Be a two for one if they drag Cuba down with them

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To bolster Maduro, Cuba has reportedly deployed some 20,000 troops to the nation, with aid packages. These aid packages have forced Cuba to start rationing their own goods, as it’s started to drain their resources. Cuba says there are no troops in the country, which is just as credible as North Korean state television. Cuban security forces have been seen protecting Maduro reportedly no longer trusts his own military.

Oh, So Could This Be Why Venezuela’s Maduro Has Been Able To Stick Around
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/06/06/oh-so-could-this-be-why-venezuelas-maduro-has-been-able-to-stick-around-n2547704
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2019, 05:25:55 PM »
I don't know if I wanted the US involved in this, but kicking out Cuban troops might a good reason. 
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