Wall to be Emergency

[Ben]

Well crap. To avoid a shutdown, Trump is signing the spending bill and then declaring a national emergency for the wall. I really didn't want to see it go in that direction.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-says-trump-prepared-to-sign-border-security-bill-and-will-declare-national-emergency

[BobR]

I didn't want to see it either but when he didn't get the funding before the Dems took over the house the failure to get funding was almost a certainty. I think this is the only way he *may* be able to build a wall. It was the cornerstone of his campaign and with the Dems controlling the House he doesn't stand a chance to get funding through the normal legislative channels. If he want the Rs to have any control after 2020 (POTUS, Senate or House) this is a necessary step.

bob

[Ben]

I didn't want to see it either but when he didn't get the funding before the Dems took over the house the failure to get funding was almost a certainty. I think this is the only way he *may* be able to build a wall. It was the cornerstone of his campaign and with the Dems controlling the House he doesn't stand a chance to get funding through the normal legislative channels. If he want the Rs to have any control after 2020 (POTUS, Senate or House) this is a necessary step.

bob

Yeah, I get it in that regard. I just so hate "pen and phone" though, because we end up paying for it later when another Obama gets in.

I wish there were a way for him to have said, "We're taking the train money back from CA and using that for the wall. "

[DittoHead]

I don't think this is going to really be as big of a deal as a lot of people make it out to be. I suspect it's going to be tied up in courts with minimal real world impact for quite awhile. Meanwhile Trump can claim he's fighting hard and lay the blame elsewhere.
That being said, it's a very bad precedent and I don't support it.

We know this seems increasingly quaint, especially after President Obama’s pen-and-phone governance in his second term, but we believe presidents have an obligation to honor the role of the respective branches of government, even when it’s not in their political interest, even when there seems to be a clever workaround.

[brimic]

This is not how its supposed to work 

[grampster]

Rush was talking about it today.  There was much more wrong with that deal than anyone was saying.  It was like Obama Care.  Pass the bill and we'll find out later what was in it.  It had many things wrong with it besides not enough dough for the wall.  Rush said he should just move appropriated money around and do what needs to be done and let the Ds sue to stop him and the truth about the Ds and RINOs will become more evident.

[Hawkmoon]

And Pelosi is threatening that if Trump declares an emergency at the border, the next [Democratic] president can declare "gun violence" an emergency.

[Ron]

And Pelosi is threatening that if Trump declares an emergency at the border, the next [Democratic] president can declare "gun violence" an emergency.

If they do that it will quickly become a self fulfilling prophecy.

[MillCreek]

And Pelosi is threatening that if Trump declares an emergency at the border, the next [Democratic] president can declare "gun violence" an emergency.

Well, I think she is correct, and this points out the inherent risks of using emergency powers.

[Andiron]

And Pelosi is threatening that if Trump declares an emergency at the border, the next [Democratic] president can declare "gun violence" an emergency.

I love how the dems are foaming at the mouth over Trump doing this, which is and absolute requirement and responsibility of the Federal government, and on the other hand threatening a clearly stated part of the bill of rights as retribution.

[Ron]

If only one side is playing by the rules it’s no longer a game.

This is a knife fight, you guys haven’t figured that out yet?

Plus what he ^ said above me.

[Fly320s]

This is a knife fight, you guys haven’t figured that out yet?

That's why I have guns.

[Hawkmoon]

That's why I have guns.

Which Pelosi, Schumer and Company want to take away from you.

[Andiron]

Which Pelosi, Schumer and Company want to take away from you.

Rule 7.62,  eventually,  at this point.

There is no soft landing,  plan accordingly.

[TommyGunn]

And Pelosi is threatening that if Trump declares an emergency at the border, the next [Democratic] president can declare "gun violence" an emergency.

Does anyone think that If Trump had not declared this emergency,  Pelosi, Feinstein, Schumer, et al,  would have then turned pro-gun and joined the N. R. A.? 

[Pb]

And Pelosi is threatening that if Trump declares an emergency at the border, the next [Democratic] president can declare "gun violence" an emergency.

The declaration of emergency lets trump use funds the mil has designated for construction to be used for constructing a different structures (like the wall, supposedly).

I'm not sure how this could be used for gun bans, since it is just shuffling construction funds around.

If I am wrong, I would sure like to know.

One thing I do know is the Republican party's refusal to fund the wall when they had power was absolutely disgraceful.

[makattak]

I think Trump should veto the bill, as the Dems have loaded this bill up with roadblocks to the wall and the Republicans have happily gone along. And then declare the emergency, anyway.

SHUT IT DOWN.

[Ben]

The declaration of emergency lets trump use funds the mil has designated for construction to be used for constructing a different structures (like the wall, supposedly).

I'm not sure how this could be used for gun bans, since it is just shuffling construction funds around.

If I am wrong, I would sure like to know.

One thing I do know is the Republican party's refusal to fund the wall when they had power was absolutely disgraceful.

Pelosi and "We'll do it for guns" is, IMO, more of a scare tactic. Guns would be much harder to do because they're mentioned as the second item in that whatchyamacallit document.

They could much more easily do "climate change" though, using the identical arguments Trump is using, and the same methods to pay for it. And unlike a wall at the border, that "emergency" would negatively affect every single person in the United States. Well, except for alternative power companies, enviro NGOs, and politicians with ties to them.

[Sindawe]

I think Trump should veto the bill, as the Dems have loaded this bill up with roadblocks to the wall and the Republicans have happily gone along. And then declare the emergency, anyway.

SHUT IT DOWN.

Absolutely agree.  Democrats have demonstrated (again) that they will not negotiate in good faith and are not to be trusted.

[Boomhauer]

I think the next Dem president will try that tactic whether Trump uses it or not.

[MechAg94]

I think Trump should veto the bill, as the Dems have loaded this bill up with roadblocks to the wall and the Republicans have happily gone along. And then declare the emergency, anyway.

SHUT IT DOWN.

That was what I was thinking.  VETO the bill, do his emergency, then tell the RHINOS in Congress to negotiate a budget without the wall.

[MechAg94]

As far as the courts go, my understanding is there is some authority for the President to take action when it comes to border security since that is sort of a Constitutional mandate.  I heard somewhere that the administration was planning on a legal battle.

As far as guns are concerned, declaring an emergency that violates a constitutional right for something that is completely extra-Constitutional is a bigger stretch.  I am sure Dems wouldn't mind doing it and I am sure at least some judges would back them up.

[WLJ]

Building project vs suspending a constitutional right?
Apple this orange. Orange this is apple.

Of course many dems don't see it that way.

[Ben]

I heard somewhere that the administration was planning on a legal battle.

I'm just listening to a Trump news conference. He's stating he expects this to get tied up in the 9th circuit initially, then go back and forth and finally end in the Supreme Court. He made it sound like a very long time before a final ruling.

[charby]

Are we headed to a "Papers Please" situation with the "Wall"?