Should atheists, agnostics, etc. be allowed to have children?

[Werewolf]

It has been said by many that there is no such thing as a dumb question.

It seems that the many are WRONG!

[BrokenPaw]

Oh.  You're talking about Heisenberg's Sexual Ambiguity Principle, which states:  It's not possible to know your sexual orientation until you're actually having sex, and the very act of having sex can change your orientation, and how fast you're having sex.

It's all so clear now.  Thanks.

-BP

[MechAg94]

The Nazi's used pagan symbols.  Anyone who doesn't follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob shouldn't be allowed to have kids.   

[CAnnoneer]

One small technical point:

"Gott Mit Uns" was on the belt-buckle of the common German soldiers, at least some of which did believe in it in earnest. If you want to take a swing at the Nazis instead, please do not forget that their belt-buckles had a very different motto.

[The Rabbi]

Some agnostics are not sure of their sexual orientation.  Others claim it is not possible to know one's sexual orientation. 

Regardless, the only sure way to keep agnostics, atheists and Oprah fans from abusing children is to kill them all. 

Darn.  Beat me to it.

[Perd Hapley]

Bogie, did we help to enlighten you at all? 

[richyoung]

One small technical point:

"Gott Mit Uns" was on the belt-buckle of the common German soldiers, at least some of which did believe in it in earnest. If you want to take a swing at the Nazis instead, please do not forget that their belt-buckles had a very different motto.

...I do recall 'twas the Nazis giving the orders to the rest of the military, and rather NOT the other way around....also seem to recall that the Nazis in particular ran the camps....

[AmbulanceDriver]

Oh.  You're talking about Heisenberg's Sexual Ambiguity Principle, which states:  It's not possible to know your sexual orientation until you're actually having sex, and the very act of having sex can change your orientation, and how fast you're having sex.

It's all so clear now.  Thanks.

-BP

Paw, I read that, and I have been laughing now ever since reading that.   And ranging from chuckles to full on laugh out loud hilarity.  People are starting to look at me funny......   

[Loucks]

I put it to you that religious indoctrination is an insidious form of child abuse. Clearly, then, only atheists and agnostics should be permitted to have children. I suppose we could allow the religious to have children as well, but only if they sign a waiver pledging not to instruct their children in their own nonsensical superstitions.

[Kyle]

The ONLY way for a parent to be moraly responsible is to abstain from teaching their children any religious beliefs until they are old enough to be responsible for their own soul, or lack thereof. When a kid turns 15, 16, is when they need to be familiarized with the world's various religions and allowed to pick the one that makes the most sense to them.

Anything else is immoral brainwashing and outright indoctrination, and concerning an innocent child's eternal soul, no less.

[Perd Hapley]

Kyle, I'd like to meet your children and see how careful you've been not to indoctrinate them with your views on gun control, taxes, sex, politics, alcohol consumption, style of clothing, and yes, even religion.  In the real world, kids pick up on the views of the people around them and believe in all kinds of well-founded fact and untenable nonsense while rebelling against a lot of other well-founded fact and untenable nonsense.  You are no more going to have a neat, clean sit-down with your child to help him calmly choose his life-path, or whatever, than you are going to keep him free from "indoctrination." 

FWIW, I know a guy who was "indoctrinated" by his parents to be quite a sharp, well-read young atheist, who enjoyed debating hapless Christians.  In his mid-teens, he was quickly "indoctrinated" by my very conservative church.  He's a preacher now.  Happens the other way, too.

[mountainclmbr]

You should only be allowed to have children if you believe in global warming and global socialism. Others should be shipped over to the Weather Channel to be used in horrible scientific experiments with tornadoes, hurricanes and getting a first-hand view of the ocean bottom. Religion and the Heisenberg sexual orientation uncertainty principle should not make you safe from Al Gore II-This Time It's Personal (coming to a political office near you).

[griz]

Clearly, anyone who answers yes to the question should not be allowed to have children.

[Lee]

Thats' ridiculous...it's not until AFTER you get married and have children that you yearn to reach heaven as quickly as possible.

[mnrivrat]

Hummm ?  I tell you what - I am an atheist , and I will give a $10,000 reward to the first woman who gets me pregnant. (by natural means of course)   
Since I think that will take an act of god , I am pretty comfortable with both my non-beliefs , and my $10,000 .

All you religious woman out there however are free to apply for the reward though ! 

[Bogie]

I'm thinking I can reach a few general sort of assumption/conclusions...
 
If it is dark, and one is having sex, one really should turn on a light to make sure it is not with a cat.
 
And if you think it is still, then it is probably moving.
 
Be careful tho, because if the cat knows you are there, then it's may move and scratch you.
 
But all this is moot, because sex often leads to dancing.
 

 

[Kyle]

Fistful, I thought this thread was tongue-in-cheek? 

Seriously though, I am an athiest, although I don't have kids yet. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. I never really thought about it before... I suppose I should get on that.

Now let me ask a question, in all seriousness. If you raise your kid to be of the same faith as you, the chances are VERY high that they will remain of that faith for their whole lives.

Now, I am an athiest, remember, so I am not picking sides here. Just a hypothetical.

Let's assume that the Christian God isnt as forgiving of little errors as modern liberalized Christians like to think. Lets say, that the ONLY people with real favor of God and a chance to get into Heaven are very strict Catholics. God sees all the protestant faiths as perversions of his holy word. If this is the case, and you raise your kid Lutheran, and judgement day comes, isnt that kind of "oops... my bad"?

Especialy if there was a chance, if you had left it up to them, that they might have chosen to be the favored strict Catholic?

Just musings, not trying to get anyone riled up.

And I DO assume all the athiests should not be able to have kids is all-in-good-fun joking around?

[Bogie]

If the cat is intelligent, it is not allowed to be on the jury.
 

[Strings]

>People are starting to look at me funny......<

This is different from normal how, AD? :neener:

 And damn, Rabbi: that was one hell of a tug on Manedwolf's chain!

[richyoung]

This should be fun.  Who wants popcorn? 

So as I understand your stated position Rabbi, atheists/agnostics can't have kids, but Pagans, Hindus, etc. can?

Oh, don't forget that by his logic, an agnostic is somehow less moral than a Good Christianist (I don't even call them Christian, 'cause they're not) who tells their kids to hate Jews,

Been a Baptist all my life - never met such a critter.  I was taught that Jesus was a Rabbi, and that the Jews are God's Chosen People, and that "whatsoever you do unto the least of these, my bretheren, (Jews), you have done unto Me..."  Care to give a refeence to a mainstream Protestant denomination that holds the views you cite?

[Perd Hapley]

Atheists and agnostics should have children just so they can grow up to argue with richyoung.   

[Chris]

Just a moment of reality into this debate...I spent 8 years prosecuting child abuse cases, and now hear them frequently as a magistrate.  Rich.  Poor.  Any race.  Any religion.  Any gender.  Some human beings abuse their young..  Physically.  Emotionally.  Sexually.  I wish there was a test you could give to weed these people out before the abuse happened.  Until then, I'll be here, trying to pick up the pieces, and punishing the offenders...

[Perd Hapley]

As long as reality has reared its ugly head...

The question in these two adoption threads is not whether one or the other type of family will commit blatant abuse.  The question is whether some sexual orientations or religious viewpoints are inherently abusive environments.  The focus is mental and emotional, rather than physical. 

So, anyway, hows about we round up them non-religious folks for a draft, since they don't fear death.

[tyme]

Answer to the thread title question: no.

Atheists and agnostics are obviously immoral people, at best amoral.

Die in a fire.

[The Rabbi]

Answer to the thread title question: no.

Atheists and agnostics are obviously immoral people, at best amoral.

Die in a fire.

Care to elaborate?