Notre Dame is on Fire

[K Frame]

It's well known that religion interferes with communism.

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[Ron]

I’m sure the construction workers will approve of the new prayer room set aside for them as they build a new beautiful spire minaret.

[Hawkmoon]

What a mess: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6926807/Devastating-aftermath-Notre-Dame-inferno-leaves-world-mourning.html

[HankB]

It's well known that religion interferes with communism.

Communism's high priests (called kommisars, Chairmen, Dear Leaders, or whatever) regard people who follow any other religion as heretics to be either brainwashed re-educated or killed.

Back to Notre Dame . . . .

As long as we still don't know the cause of the fire, speculation about a deliberate origin is every bit as valid as speculation about accidental origin.

And if you're one of the fire investigators, it would be irresponsible to rule out anything this early. So right now, everything from a carelessly discarded cigarette to an islamofascist plot is - and should! - still be on the table.

[Hawkmoon]

Communism's high priests (called kommisars, Chairmen, Dear Leaders, or whatever) regard people who follow any other religion as heretics to be either brainwashed re-educated or killed.

Back to Notre Dame . . . .

As long as we still don't know the cause of the fire, speculation about a deliberate origin is every bit as valid as speculation about accidental origin.

And if you're one of the fire investigators, it would be irresponsible to rule out anything this early. So right now, everything from a carelessly discarded cigarette to an islamofascist plot is - and should! - still be on the table.

Reports are that there was an initial alarm, firefighters responded and couldn't find any fire so they left, then there was a second alarm a half hour later, by which time the fire was already pretty much out of control. The construction is that there's a stone vault as the ceiling in the sanctuary, then a wooden roof structure covered with sheet lead roofing above the vault, creating an attic. Since the main structure is all stone and can't burn, more than likely the fire originated in the attic space above the vault. It may have started (and the progress of the fire based on photos supports this) in the area where the transept (the two short arms of the cross floor plan) intersects the nave and chancel (the long arms of the cross). The spire, which was under restoration, is (was) located above this intersection.

So the fire could have been caused accidentally by one of the workers. Or it could have been started deliberately by someone who gained access to the scaffolding, possibly after the workers had left for the day.

Stay tuned. 

[Hawkmoon]

So far, decadent billionaire businessmen have pledged 510 million Euros ($576 million) toward the reconstruction of Notre Dame. Although the structure is owned by the French government, it nonetheless functions as a Roman Catholic cathedral. The head of the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, has pledged ... an historical consultant.

[WLJ]

Trump should pledge to send Pelosi







to replace Quasimodo

[BobR]

Trump should pledge to send Pelosi to







replace Quasimodo

Wouldn't she make a better Djali?

bob

[MillCreek]

Pelosi, Pelosi......that name rings a bell........

[WLJ]

Wouldn't she make a better Djali?

bob

AOC

[MechAg94]

From Sean Spicier on Twitter:

"Nothing to worry about, folk!  Probably just some people doing something at Notre Dame"

[K Frame]

There's been a long-running dispute between the Catholic Church and the governments of France about who is responsible for upkeep at Notre Dame.

The government say the Catholic Church, because, well, it's a church, and the church says the governments of France, because, well, France owns it.

[K Frame]

I didn't think of it this way before, but some of the timbers that were used in the roof were saplings when Charlemagne was Holy Roman Emperor in the 800s.

[230RN]

Pelosi, Pelosi......that name rings a bell........

<groaaaaan>

But :D

[Pb]

How Christian is France?

[HeroHog]

How Christian is France?

Less and less Every. Damn. Day. 

[WLJ]

More hate from the loving compassionate left

But for some people in France, Notre Dame has also served as a deep-seated symbol of resentment, a monument to a deeply flawed institution and an idealized Christian European France that arguably never existed in the first place. “The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University. If nothing else, the cathedral has been viewed by some as a stodgy reminder of “the old city — the embodiment of the Paris of stone and faith — just as the Eiffel Tower exemplifies the Paris of modernity, joie de vivre and change,” Michael Kimmelmann wrote for the New York Times. (Rolling Stone)

Another historian quoted in the piece, the University of Toronto's John Harwood, says it would be a mistake to view the building as little more than a Paris tourist attraction, according to Rolling Stone.

“It’s literally a political monument," he said. "All cathedrals are.”

'Nonsense': Rolling Stone Magazine Ripped For Sharing This Take on the Notre Dame Fire
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/04/17/rolling-stone-magazine-ripped-for-this-take-on-the-notre-dame-fire-n2544919

 What can you say other than

[Hawkmoon]

“The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.

As accustomed as I am to the claptrap that emanates from Ivy League (especially, but not only) bastions of "higher learning," this statement -- coming from a purported architectural historian -- nonetheless surprised me. As an architect with several years of study in the history or art and architecture, I simply can't imagine any legitimate architectural historian making such a statement, or even harboring such a thought.

Western society truly is doomed.

[Perd Hapley]

If nothing else, the cathedral has been viewed by some as a stodgy reminder of “the old city — the embodiment of the Paris of stone and faith — just as the Eiffel Tower exemplifies the Paris of modernity, joie de vivre and change,” Michael Kimmelmann wrote for the New York Times. (Rolling Stone)

I've never been to Paris, but I have this crazy idea the modern "joie" is not all that joie-ful.

[Hawkmoon]

The Eiffel Tower was constructed between 1887 and 1889. Considering that there is nobody -- in Paris or anywhere else -- who was alive when it was built, I fail to see how it  could in any way be considered exemplary of "modernity."

[BlueStarLizzard]

Liberation from what?

Can she show me on the dolly where the mean cathedral hurt her?

[brimic]

As accustomed as I am to the claptrap that emanates from Ivy League (especially, but not only) bastions of "higher learning," this statement -- coming from a purported architectural historian -- nonetheless surprised me. As an architect with several years of study in the history or art and architecture, I simply can't imagine any legitimate architectural historian making such a statement, or even harboring such a thought.

Western society truly is doomed.

Purging the scholar class is one of the few things that communism gets right.

[HeroHog]

Paul Joseph Watson
https://www.minds.com/PaulJosephWatson
Apr 17, 2019, 10:35:11 AM

French journalist Maxime Lepante warns that France’s history is “in the process of burning down” as a result of two churches being vandalized every day and that political and religious leaders don’t “give a f*ck.”

https://summit.news/2019/04/17/french-journalist-two-churches-in-france-are-vandalized-every-day-and-no-one-gives-a-fck/

Newly released France 2018 stats.

Anti-Christian attacks: 1063.

Anti-Jewish attacks: 541 (an increase of 74 per cent).

Anti-Muslim attacks: 100 (Lowest in 9 years).

https://summit.news/2019/04/15/france-attacks-against-jews-christians-continue-to-rise/
#muslim #France #churches #fire #PaulJosephWatson

“Submit to Islam”: South Carolina Church Vandalized With Islamic-Themed Graffiti
https://summit.news/2019/04/16/submit-to-islam-south-carolina-church-vandalized-with-islamic-themed-graffiti/

[Perd Hapley]

Why is this thread stickied? 

The Eiffel Tower was constructed between 1887 and 1889. Considering that there is nobody -- in Paris or anywhere else -- who was alive when it was built, I fail to see how it  could in any way be considered exemplary of "modernity."

In Western history, the Modern period is usually thought to begin around 1500, give or take a century. Of course, there are many other definitions of "modern."

https://www.britannica.com/art/Modernism-art

[bedlamite]

Interesting. Man stopped from bringing gas and lighters into St Patricks Cathedral. Not releasing his name.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/st-patricks-cathedral-new-york-city