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brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:28:15 AM »
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Sunday, February 18, 2007

 The tragic proliferation of Sniper Rifles

I would like to take a moment to comment on the proliferation of Sniper Rifles.
Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:

"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....

..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."

Should our elected officials live under the threat of reprisal on their lives from disgruntled constituents? The Gun Lobby seems to think so. We disagree.

Sniper Rifles can be equipped with precision optics above even what the Military uses, allowing a sniper to deliver rounds within millimeters of accuracy - enabling them to engage targets at distances of well over one hundred meters. Is there a pressing need to be able to kill with accuracy at that distance? It is too far to justify as self defense. It is too far for hunting. It is only useful for those who wish to murder from afar.

Large caliber Sniper Rifles such as the .50 Browning Machine Gun can derail freight cars, shoot down aircraft and helicopters, damage vital ground equipment such as power substations, fuel tanks, and air traffic control, and cause complete chaos. For more information on why large caliber machine-gun rounds must be banned, visit http://www.50caliberterror.com. A shipment of large caliber machine-gun round sniper rifles made by Steyr turned up in Iran, and are being used on our own soldiers, as the .50 bullets easily defeat their body armor, their up-armored humvees, and even APCs.

Many forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama have voted against Center-Fire Rifle Ammunition of types for Sniper Rifles, but due to the pressure and massive financial resources of the gun industry, the necessary steps to protect our homes and lives have not been attained.

Sniper Rifles have been used by murderers and spree killers for years, with notable incidents such as the Beltway Snipers, the Clocktower Sniper, and more.

ANY rifle configured and equipped as a sniper rifle has no sporting purpose especially as a hunting rifle. They are too big and heavy to take to the field. Designed for distance shooting, they are useless for the ranges at which game animals are normally shot, and when used on sporting sized game at range they often just wound the animal, inhumanely forcing it to die slowly while the would-be hunter tracks it to finish it off. Most Sniper Rifles fire atypically large cartridges and ultra high velocity ammunition that can travel much greater distances that standard ammunition. The danger imposed from missed shots and ricochetes from these specialty rounds is unreasonable.

Most of these rifles carry multiple rounds, with either an automatic mechanism, or a quick toggle action to rapidly move another bullet into the breech, ready to fire into another victim. In most states, they are nearly unrestricted. Anyone over the age of 18 can buy one. If they can't pass a background check, they skirt the NCIS system by going to a gunshow, or finding a private sale in the newspaper. A murderer camped at a distance from a public gathering could quickly turn it into a massacre dwarfing anything we have seen before in the United States, if they had a Sniper Rifle. If they adopted hit and run tactics, entire portions of our country could be shut down.

Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.

We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.

Every state in the USA has hunting equipment rules that limit the caliber of firearm used to take game. They also limit the types of rifles, length, magazine capacity, etc. States should amend these hunting regulations to restrict the use of "sniper" rifles, specialty "sniper" cartridges, and "sniper" ammunition. Limits on weight, barrel length, bipods and tripods, thumbhole stocks and pistol grips, night vision type scopes, scopes of excessive magnification, super magnum and high velocity ammunition, and military slings should be imposed. They have no place in the hunting fields of America and hunting usage should not be used as an argument for civilians to own such firearms and weapons. There are more than ample hunting rifles, cartridges, and rounds of ammunition to choose from without them.

Let us hope that in a safer, saner America, we will succeed in our efforts to restrict the deadly spread of long distance murder rifles.

 
maybe someone needs to remind them that the .30-30 is probably the most popular deer round in the US.



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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 10:33:27 AM »
maybe someone needs to remind them that the .30-30 is probably the most popular deer round in the US.

They don't care...
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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 10:35:09 AM »
Geddoudahere!
No one actually wrote that seriously.  That was a hoax by a pro-RKBA person trying to make the antis look like fools.  Scoped rifles as WMD?  Hilarious.  Even if it is too early for Purim.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2007, 10:38:15 AM »
No, it's real. I don't know if the Brady group may not personally oversees each post posted on the blog, but it's sponsored by them:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/bradyreport/2007/february/mobilizing/index.php#story2

leads you to http://www.myspace.com/bradycampaign

leads you to http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=88508969&MyToken=dc3dcd2c-afac-4204-a422-dc868108ff04ML

Edit: Never mind. It was a hoax. Someone hacked their page. http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=256992


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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 10:39:27 AM »
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forward thinking, progressive politicians such as Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama


These fools are so regressive, their knuckles drag.

Maybe this guy has the .30-30 confused with the .30-06.  The names would look about the same to someone as un-informed as that writer appears to be.  Makes little difference, though.

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Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.
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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 10:40:19 AM »
To quote Howie Metzenbaum, "we want all the guns, regardless of what they look like."

Oy veh!
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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2007, 10:41:16 AM »
maybe someone needs to remind them that the .30-30 is probably the most popular deer round in the US.

They don't care...

I think the point is that going after common hunting cartridges will alienate them quite a bit more than wanting to register or even ban handguns. 

I keep finding idiocies in that article that I want to highlight for our especial scorn.  But charby already did that.   smiley  I think my favorite part is the suggestion that the Beltway Snipers were using a super-long-range sniper rifle with super-duper-magnification optics. 
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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2007, 12:53:37 PM »
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Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles?
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 01:52:45 PM »
Didn't Ted Kennedy attempt (or co-sponsor, don't remember, not my legislative body) a piece of legislation that mentioned 30-30's directly because of the 'armour penetrating' capability? From what I remember, the above looks like a rehashing of the same points and incidents.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2007, 01:56:37 PM »
No, that would have been "armor penetrating."  grin

I dont know if the two are related.  It is a canard.  Plenty of rounds will penetrate armor, depending on the round and the armor.  I remember when the FN 5.7 came out and there was the same screaming about "cop-killer bullets."  Heck, my CZ-52 will do the same thing for a lot less money.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2007, 02:22:53 PM »
No, that would have been "armor penetrating."  grin

I dont know if the two are related.  It is a canard.  Plenty of rounds will penetrate armor, depending on the round and the armor.  I remember when the FN 5.7 came out and there was the same screaming about "cop-killer bullets."  Heck, my CZ-52 will do the same thing for a lot less money.

So will my Tokarevs with the same round. It's why I have them now, I expect them to eventually be banned.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2007, 04:16:20 PM »
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Sniper Rifles shoot a high powered bullet that is almost always fatal. They are designed for one thing- delivering powerful overkill with deadly precision. You don't need the kind of power and accuracy that can kill a man at five hundred yards for hunting rabbits or defending your house.
laugh laugh laugh
And here I thought sniper rifles were for killing small birds at a decent distance in England.  They learned all their gun knowledge off the movies I think.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2007, 04:19:05 PM »
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We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.
The French did it so it must be right!!!  That will convince everyone.  Smiley

30-06 is only the 2nd most popular deer cartridge.  They must not realize the CMP still sells Garands and 30-06 ammo.   smiley
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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2007, 04:20:12 PM »
The word "hunting" is not in the second ammendment.  Stop changing the damned argument.

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2007, 04:20:39 PM »
They must not realize the CMP still sells Garands and 30-06 ammo.   smiley

Hey, but they've got that covered too. Since it's not a "sniper rifle" it's an "assault weapon." It was a military arm. Tsk, tsk. Owning such military weaponry? For shame!
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2007, 04:48:57 PM »
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We should also give commendations to France because many years ago they designated any firearm capable of shooting military ammunition as a military arm, illegal to posess without a special permit and unlawful to use for hunting. The 223, 308, 7mm mauser, 30-06, and 6.5x55 have no place in the hunting fields of France. Firearms shooting these calibers are military weapons only designed for killing PEOPLE and should be kept out of the hands of the general population. Because they have no hunting purpose, there is no reason for civilians to own them.
The French did it so it must be right!!!  That will convince everyone.  Smiley

30-06 is only the 2nd most popular deer cartridge.  They must not realize the CMP still sells Garands and 30-06 ammo.   smiley

A Europeon country?  I read in the news that one in six Europeons are below poverty level and 1/4 of British households are on 50% governement assistance. eek.. a great example there.

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Re: brady myspace on "sniper rifles"
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 05:57:33 PM »
Rumor has it...

That the Brady Myspace website, complete with the Jim Zumbo fiasco and the "sniper rifle" diatribe, was brought to the Internet courtesy of our own resident miscreant, "Blackburn".   sad
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 06:01:14 PM »
Where did you hear that?  I'd actually like to believe it. 
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 06:03:09 PM »
Rumor has it...

That the Brady Myspace website, complete with the Jim Zumbo fiasco and the "sniper rifle" diatribe, was brought to the Internet courtesy of our own resident miscreant, "Blackburn".   sad

If so, (to me that seems like a bit of a stretch, it is rumor and all), why would he want to hurt the image of the RKBA in that way? Still ticked off at THR and APS?
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 07:10:50 PM »
I cannot imagine a better idea than to outlaw everything from .30-30 on up.  For that matter a .270 is nearly a .30-06 so maybe the legislation should start there.  Whats that you say?  .223 is definitely a cartridge designed for an assault rifle?  Maybe the bar should be lowered!

If every caliber were to be made illegal, it would certainly give the ninety percent of gun owners a reason to sit up and take notice.  On the other hand, frankenfeinstein already tried that and it didnt do any good.
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 09:05:26 PM »
Regarding the last post, the last scenes of "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" comes to mind. When they're flying around the country with the list of forum postings, confront people who posted sh*t, to their face, and then over-the-top-comedy beat the crap out of them.

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 11:13:00 PM »
Well, that was my theory back up a few posts.  I didnt think the sniper rifle business sounded too kosher, so to speak.
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