Welp, Virginia is screwed

[RoadKingLarry]

Maybe a pessimistic view but in the end the majority of Virginia gun owners will bow down to their masters in Richmond and the sheriffs and other county officials will default to their paychecks. The remaining few.that resist will be labeled as right wing extremists/terrorists by the leftist government and media. And finally the sheriffs that had previously sworn to defend their rights will shoot them down like dogs all the while shouting that they were just doing their job/following orders.

[MechAg94]

Do the leftists really care about enforcement of all these laws?  They haven't really cared about assault weapon bans and registration schemes in other states.  Those have mostly failed if you go by compliance statistics.  

Even if the local county sheriffs and prosecutors don't mess with anyone, they could send some state police around to shooting ranges.  Even a few prosecutions by the state DA's office would make everyone change their behavior.  Also, companies outside that state won't violate state law by shipping illegal firearms or magazines into the state.  

The real question is if this "wave" of gun rights support will show up on the next election.

[dogmush]

IMO, if everyone had quietly non complied like they do in other states the statists would have patted themselves on the back and moved on.

The issue isn't the compliance or non-compliance, it's the vocal, public non compliance, especially of the enforcement apparatus.  It's one thing to have a law that everyone ignores.  We have a ton of those.  It's quite another when the people you depend on to enforce your whims publicly say that they won't.  That calls into question the absolute power of the state, and they can't let that pass.

[Pb]

Do the leftists really care about enforcement of all these laws?  They haven't really cared about assault weapon bans and registration schemes in other states.  Those have mostly failed if you go by compliance statistics.  

Even if the local county sheriffs and prosecutors don't mess with anyone, they could send some state police around to shooting ranges.  Even a few prosecutions by the state DA's office would make everyone change their behavior.  Also, companies outside that state won't violate state law by shipping illegal firearms or magazines into the state.  

The real question is if this "wave" of gun rights support will show up on the next election.

Of course these laws have low rates of compliance at first... but they kill the gun culture in a state.  An illegal AR-15 stuck in a closet doesn't help the gun culture at all.

Eventually, the left will be able to pass whatever laws they want, and no one will care because there aren't enough gun owners to make any difference.

They are boiling the frog.  The goal is to have a population like that of the UK where Joe Blow will hyperventilate and call the cops if he find a bullet.

[Ben]

Of course these laws have low rates of compliance at first... but they kill the gun culture in a state.  An illegal AR-15 stuck in a closet doesn't help the gun culture at all.

This is my problem with non-compliance versus stopping or overturning the law. Obviously you can't always win, and I would "non-comply" if it came down to it. But then "they" still win, because I'm either hiding the guns or maybe sneaking them into BFE the desert to shoot them once in a while. They wouldn't see the gun range.

At least not unless there was a giant "non-compliance event", where 100 other guys show up with their illegal guns. If it's just me though, and an unsympathetic cop shows up, call me yellow, but I'm not up for being the example and doing pokey time or else losing all my money in legal fees. I've got the gun in a closet, but the antis still win because I mostly can't use it.

I'd rather fight via the voting booth and NRA-ILA, and maybe talk to all the so-called gun guys, who when you ask them to sign a petition or vote, give you the, "It'll never happen" line. Then become outraged after the votes are counted.

[bedlamite]

I'd rather fight via the voting booth and NRA-ILA, and maybe talk to all the so-called gun guys, who when you ask them to sign a petition or vote, give you the, "It'll never happen" line. Then become outraged after the votes are counted.

The problem is that hasn't been working, we've been losing ground steadily. I also haven't heard a peep out of the NRA recently.

[Ben]

The problem is that hasn't been working, we've been losing ground steadily. I also haven't heard a peep out of the NRA recently.

Oh, I agree, which is why I said I would "non-comply" if it came down to it because, Constitution.  However,  I would rather the laws either not make it through, or get overturned, so I don't have to sneak around exercising a right.

[Pb]

I also haven't heard a peep out of the NRA recently.

They are too busy pissing away money and suing each other. 

[Ben]

They are too busy pissing away money and suing each other.  

Yeah, they need to get their house in order/ Which IMHO, will only happen after Wayne steps down, but it seems ego is getting in the way of the NRA's charter.

[Ron]

So there is a county forming a militia and coincidentally there us a law waiting in the wings that would make it illegal.

I've been pretty complacent with all the winning in the self defense community over the recent years.

This is a real wakeup call.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-activates-official-militia-after-gun-confiscation-threats-lawmakers-want-make

[bedlamite]

I just realized bsl hasn't posted in this thread yet

[gunsmith]

Maybe a pessimistic view but in the end the majority of Virginia gun owners will bow down to their masters in Richmond and the sheriffs and other county officials will default to their paychecks. The remaining few.that resist will be labeled as right wing extremists/terrorists by the leftist government and media. And finally the sheriffs that had previously sworn to defend their rights will shoot them down like dogs all the while shouting that they were just doing their job/following orders.

i feel same.

some key politicians/media/backers would have to be deposed in some kind of spectacular fashion by individuals, leading to mass arrest and crack downs
I'm hoping the deep state realizes how dangerous a lone wolf can be if backed into a corner and that NYRPA scotus prevails on our side allowing them to save face.

[French G.]

So there is a county forming a militia and coincidentally there us a law waiting in the wings that would make it illegal.

I've been pretty complacent with all the winning in the self defense community over the recent years.

This is a real wakeup call.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virginia-activates-official-militia-after-gun-confiscation-threats-lawmakers-want-make

ZeroHedge.

The militia law has been on the books for a long time and many states have on SB64 amended it to make it a crime to demonstrate or march while armed. Changed a few words in the existing statutes. Sure, they are crap laws and should not exist ever, but the howler monkeys of DOOM I TELL YOU! are not helping by screaming about going to the gun range or a class will be illegal. A lot of people on the virginia gun internet are showing their utter lack of reading ability.

[RoadKingLarry]

Always read proposed new laws with the worst possible interpretation and intent. Particularly those expressly designed to curtail personal liberties.

[Ron]

ZeroHedge.

The militia law has been on the books for a long time and many states have on SB64 amended it to make it a crime to demonstrate or march while armed. Changed a few words in the existing statutes. Sure, they are crap laws and should not exist ever, but the howler monkeys of DOOM I TELL YOU! are not helping by screaming about going to the gun range or a class will be illegal. A lot of people on the virginia gun internet are showing their utter lack of reading ability.

In a sign of the times Zero Hedge has been more accurate these last three years than all the big media outfits. I agree you need to be careful sorting wheat from chaff.

[Pb]

Yeah, they need to get their house in order/ Which IMHO, will only happen after Wayne steps down, but it seems ego is getting in the way of the NRA's charter.

The only way Wayne will leave is feet first.

And I am afraid he has stuffed the leadership with cronies just as crooked as he is.

[French G.]

Any noise being made in Virginia is VCDL and the groups at the locality BOS meetings, many of which show up in VCDL stickers. NRA=crickets.

[WLJ]

The only way Wayne will leave is feet first.

And I am afraid he has stuffed the leadership with cronies just as crooked as he is.

Unfortunately Wayne has gotten to the point where he thinks he is the NRA and the NRA is Wayne in much the same way a King thinks he is the country/Kingdom whatever. He has stuffed the leadership as you say to the point where he may be right

[Ben]

Wow. Over 100 towns, cities and counties have declared themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. That's gotta be a record, no? A quick Gazoogle shows 95 counties in Virginia. I didn't search for a city count, but the numbers of "the resistance" (Ha!) seem to be heading towards a point where "will not comply" jurisdictions are greater than commie pinko jurisdictions.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-counties-cities-gun-sanctuary

[dogmush]

Wow. Over 100 towns, cities and counties have declared themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. That's gotta be a record, no? A quick Gazoogle shows 95 counties in Virginia. I didn't search for a city count, but the numbers of "the resistance" (Ha!) seem to be heading towards a point where "will not comply" jurisdictions are greater than commie pinko jurisdictions.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/virginia-counties-cities-gun-sanctuary

Bad News Network said 90% of the counties in VA on Friday's show.  That's probably half the population.

[Boomhauer]

I’ve got family up in VA and normally they don’t care about guns but they are pissed about this too

[makattak]

I’ve got family up in VA and normally they don’t care about guns but they are pissed about this too

When you lead with confiscation, after years of "NO ONE wants to take your guns", you wake some people up.

[WLJ]

No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
No one wants to take your guns we just want some "common sense" gun regulations.
Okay, now we're after your guns

[Ron]

Was or is the plan to set up armed confrontations between normal gun owners and government agents?

Sure appears the Democrats want there to be violence.

 

[Angel Eyes]