COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread

[MillCreek]

This study does not support the narrative.  How long before the conclusion is rewritten in favor of the narrative, or before it just disappears?

I had read there was a debate whether to publish the study, since the results were inconsistent with earlier similar studies.  However, it was thought to be an important contribution to the current state of knowledge and the article was published.

ETA some citations:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778

[Angel Eyes]

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

Might be worth mentioning that the above is an opinion piece.

[MillCreek]

^^^Both citations are opinion pieces.

[MillCreek]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957

It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.

[WLJ]

Lost my masks in a boating accident

[kgbsquirrel]

Science is only science when it supports the right left truth.

[kgbsquirrel]

I had read there was a debate whether to publish the study, since the results were inconsistent with earlier similar studies.  However, it was thought to be an important contribution to the current state of knowledge and the article was published.

ETA some citations:

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2020/11/24/covid-19-controversial-trial-may-actually-show-that-masks-protect-the-wearer/

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/vinay-prasad/89778

That a debate took place on whether to suppress their results from a political viewpoint is itself abhorrent to the scientific process.

[MillCreek]

^^^Exactly so.

[Ben]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957

It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.

That's a pretty round number for following the science.

Follow equality. Resist 46.

[Ron]

That's a pretty round number for following the science.

Follow equality. Resist 46.

How dare you question the authorities who regularly update the "science" of consensus!

Uppity kulack 

[MillCreek]

Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. 

[ConstitutionCowboy]

Personally, I believe this whole "debate" is more about the seriousness of the assumptions, fear mongering, and an apparent desire to keep the hype at a fever pitch than it is about reality.

If you can smell someones breath through their mask and yours, where is the efficacy of either mask? Underpants and a pair of jeans won't block the stench of a fart, so all you wear is futile. I don't think anything less than a HEPA filter coupled with a charcoal filter is going to save you - unless you have a healthy immune system.

Woody

[TommyGunn]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/politics/biden-harris-interview-jake-tapper/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/joe-biden-will-ask-americans-to-wear-masks-for-his-first-100-days-as-president/34865957

It is your patriotic duty to wear a mask during the first 100 days of the Biden administration.

Can I get a "President Joe 'Ponysoldier' Biden" mask?       ......         

[TommyGunn]

Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. 

Ha ha ha ...........HA!         


 

[charby]

Personally, I believe this whole "debate" is more about the seriousness of the assumptions, fear mongering, and an apparent desire to keep the hype at a fever pitch than it is about reality.

If you can smell someones breath through their mask and yours, where is the efficacy of either mask? Underpants and a pair of jeans won't block the stench of a fart, so all you wear is futile. I don't think anything less than a HEPA filter coupled with a charcoal filter is going to save you - unless you have a healthy immune system.

Woody

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb

[Angel Eyes]

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/12/04/do-asymptomatic-people-spread-coronavirus.aspx

A vast majority of those testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic. They simply aren’t sick. The PCR test is merely picking up inactive (noninfectious) viral particles

In one study, which looked at pregnant women admitted for delivery, 87.5% of the women who tested positive for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 had no symptoms

A study looking at PCR test data from nearly 10 million residents in Wuhan city found that not a single one of those who had been in close contact with an asymptomatic individual tested positive

Of the 34,424 residents with a history of COVID-19, 107 individuals tested positive a second time, but none were symptomatic and none were infectious

When asymptomatic patients were tested for antibodies, they discovered that 190 of the 300, or 63.3%, had actually had a “hot” or productive infection resulting in the production of antibodies. Still, none of their contacts had been infected.

[TommyGunn]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb

Well,  I trust scientists.   In general.  Dr. Fauci? ...... if he hadn't started out by telling us masks were useless,  instead of simply saying what was really true, that the PPE needed to be reserved for medical first responders as there was a shortage.  Fauci has hemmed and hawed on other things too.
Plus,  if one has followed this thing closer than just watching CNN one realizes even scientists and doctors A.)  do not always agree with each other on what IS science ,   and B.)  are human and subject to human foibles.  Take the W. H. O.;  they believed China's deceitful assertions at the beginning of this mess,  and have been accused of being too close to Chinese authority to be truly objective.  

I'm not saying the linked article is wrong,  in fact a very cogent and intelligent argument was presented to explain just why farts get through .... clothing (being a gas which is molecular)  and a virus,  being amazingly BIGGER,  could be stopped by a mask.

I will say I've read of a recent Danish study that does claim the difference between wearing a mask and not is statistically tiny in so far as preventing infection .... but apparently it seems largely opinion? ?.

Also,  I've heard concerns infection through the eye is of concern .... so we should have been wearing goggles all along?

I still think that in a macro sense masks help some,  while they are not perfect.    I sometimes reflect that a lot of people look "stupid"  in masks (a mirror is often close by me when I am thinking this.   ) but still,  if they can help,   it's really not a horrid sacrifice.    

I have discovered one real drawback;  the masks do nothing to disquise my identity .... so my planned alternate career as a bandit should the economy not get fixed is in real jeopardy!!

[Angel Eyes]

Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши. 

Вам нравится быть подопытным кроликом?

[ConstitutionCowboy]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/fart-pants-mask-protect-virus-050056776.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS91cmw_c2E9dCZyY3Q9aiZxPSZlc3JjPXMmc291cmNlPXdlYiZjZD0mdmVkPTJhaFVLRXdqbTZZT3kxN1R0QWhVT0FaMEpIZEpoQm44UUZqQUFlZ1FJQkJBQyZ1cmw9aHR0cHMlM0ElMkYlMkZ3d3cueWFob28uY29tJTJGbGlmZXN0eWxlJTJGZmFydC1wYW50cy1tYXNrLXByb3RlY3QtdmlydXMtMDUwMDU2Nzc2Lmh0bWwmdXNnPUFPdlZhdzFUUjhDQjJmaWdPN0Y3T0lrSlZXT1A&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADfWfaYEm9j8Hgrs-IrYjsuy7r4cXJkZdLt82-a9CaUNm3XOtJ2JYJXmvhSBZZ8LmZHzzCTkHzbcpzt81WbmkIqBw3B0IMO3UcF5mOyQGrPPR2v97pVm1KVCEaHQEjUZdQeGm1hddNnUYJ4De9Qs8TWVtHYfj7df6d4m-0EiIMXb

While all this is believable, there is also particulate matter in all too many farts that show up on the outside of the underwear. Viruses - apparently being odorless - travel on droplets that penetrate masks just as easily as any minute fecal matter that is adorned with a few molecules of stink that waft through the air can. The viruses don't travel on their own, do they? They piggyback on droplets. I know it is a reach with a fart, but the analogy is sound with the "bad breath" scenario that hasn't been challenged.

Maybe even a HEPA filter backed up with charcoal is insufficient. I believe an electrostatic filter would work better - one that uses several thousand volts like the ones you can add to your household HVAC system.

Woody

[charby]

I'm not saying the linked article is wrong,  in fact a very cogent and intelligent argument was presented to explain just why farts get through .... clothing (being a gas which is molecular)  and a virus,  being amazingly BIGGER,  could be stopped by a mask.

That is the main reason why I posted it. If a mask blocked a fart smell, you also wouldn't be able to get oxygen to breath.

I still believe that wearing a cloth mask or even a N95 offers very little protection you from catching the virus, but I do think it helps in keeping a person who is contagious from spreading it to others if they wear the mask properly. So to me wearing a mask, does help with controlling the spread, since many folks are tending to have minor symptoms and it is also cold and flu season. I still don't want to see a government mask mandate, unless it only pertains to government property.

Because of the nature of my job and the amount distance I travel everyday, I get tested regularly. What I have observed is that the people giving the drive up tests are wearing a mask, face shield, gowns, booties and frequently change their gloves. When I have had to go inside, the people giving the tests are also wearing some sort of positive pressure helmet and face shield.

[RocketMan]

Today on my day off, I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослиные уши.

Many thanks for taking one for the team, MillCreek.  Please get back to us after six months with information on the effectiveness of the vaccine.  Oh, and while you are at it, will you please translate The Gulag Archipelago from the original Russian for us?  I suspect your translation would be more accurate than Penguin UK publishing house.

[MillCreek]

Charby, those respirators were probably a CAPR or a PAPR, both of which are very hard to come by right now.

https://www.thomasnet.com/articles/plant-facility-equipment/papr-vs-capr-respirators/

[Perd Hapley]

We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.

[zxcvbob]

We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.

It's a lot closer to winter here than in is in Missouri.  I have not seen any snotcicles yet, but on days it has been cold enough for that, I didn't go out much and certainly didn't see many people.  I'll post here if I see anything really disgusting :D

[charby]

We're getting closer and closer to winter now. Anyone seeing those snot-encrusted masks? I'm expecting that delightful sight will be quite common.

I have allergies, that happened months ago. Wanna borrow a mask?