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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7350 on: April 30, 2023, 08:10:13 PM »
What does your mechanic make?
 
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
 
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7351 on: April 30, 2023, 08:11:28 PM »
What does your mechanic make?
 
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
 
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7352 on: April 30, 2023, 11:02:39 PM »
What does your mechanic make?
 
The guy I'm using to do my power steering pressure line on the Tiburon is charging me $60/hour. Because he is freelance. If it was a shop, I'd be dropping $100+.
 
Send your kids to car school.

There's overhead there  though, don't forget.  But you can make a good living wrenching, if you are good, and work hard.

Around here ASE certified techs working for a dealer or big shop can pretty steadily make $1500-$2000 a week through the magic of flat rate billing. Now you are probably working 60ish hours a week, and busting your hump, but it can be done.


Now ask what my friend who is a commercial diver and has an underwater welding certificate makes.
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« Reply #7353 on: May 01, 2023, 09:06:12 AM »
I imagine that money depends on working at a dealer that has lots of work.

You can also make good money working on big compressors at chemical plants and refineries.  Most plants do not keep enough of their own mechanics around to do the overhauls.  Might involve travel.  High voltage electrical has the potential to make some huge money depending on how far you want to go.  The guys who know the high voltage control systems do well.  Like a lot of trades, you have to work hard and learn. 

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7354 on: May 01, 2023, 09:47:54 AM »
I imagine that money depends on working at a dealer that has lots of work.
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Dealer or big shop.  In Tampa there's a pretty big shortage of car techs, so pretty much all of them are backed up with work. A tech working flat rate and hustling can make bank.

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« Reply #7355 on: May 01, 2023, 10:03:16 AM »
The vast majority of jobs require college education now. That wasn't the case a generation or two ago. How is this caused by younger generations "willingly accepting" anything, when 65-75% of open jobs now require a bachelor's degree?

Cite sources please. Just a quick search of Indeed shows most jobs requiring degrees are actually jobs that NEED degrees, such as veterinarian, IT specialist, or with companies like Gulfstream, and the like. But there are countless positions available that request "degree or equivalent work experience." And none of the trades positions open list college degrees as a requirement.

Citation needed. All available figures show that real wages have fallen even as costs have skyrocketed. Are you disputing that or just prefer to ignore it? Have you ever like, walked outside your door and seen the vast areas of industry, that previously employed hundreds of thousands of people, now gone and decaying into rust and weeds? Or at best, replaced by modern factories that employ 1/10 the number of people? This is a massive structural change.
 

https://www.bls.gov/careeroutlook/2019/article/apprenticeships-outlook-wages-update.htm - granted, the latest statistics available are five years old (when we had a conservative administration in the White House). But it clearly shows that even at the apprenticeship level, a livable wage is paid. And then, when you move up to journeyman, buying a house becomes more feasible. And like the others have said - starting out as a young adult, you have to work hard to move up the ladder, save money, and make sacrifices along the way.

I have many local friends and business associates who work at management levels in skilled trades and all of them are struggling to get younger generations interested in their fields. A local trade association I run is currently working with local public school systems and local technical colleges to develop trades programs and determine how to attract kids to these programs. The problem reported at every monthly meeting for the past several years is that half the kids (17 - 30) who actually show up for the interview won't take the job, and half of those who do, work a couple months and quit. Even if offered training to allow them to advance their salary. 

No, I have not seen vast areas of industry decaying into rust and weeds, but I live in a rural area that's rapidly being overtaken by new industry buying up what was previously farmland, while local residents fight the county commissioners trying to prevent it from being rezoned from agriculture/residential to industrial. 

I'm not an economist and can't claim to understand why/how the housing market has sky-rocketed. Clearly SOMEONE out there is earning enough money to buy overpriced houses, though I'm not sure what's going to happen if the market ever turns around and that house someone paid $400K for is suddenly only worth $200K and they still owe $300K on it. But that's not only impacting the younger generations - that's impacting everyone.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7356 on: May 01, 2023, 10:45:44 AM »
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/

It's structural.

Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7357 on: May 01, 2023, 12:11:14 PM »
if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Except none of that is true.

Two salaried professionals can generally afford a house within commuting distance of pretty much anywhere in the US
Not every high paying job requires a degree, and further many high paying jobs that do need a degree are gotten with affordable degrees.

Lower paying entry level positions frequently open doors to subsided training and further opportunities for advancement.

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« Reply #7358 on: May 01, 2023, 12:25:09 PM »
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/

It's structural.

Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.

Weird. What I read her as saying is that there are plenty of opportunities for training and work in trade jobs that can lead to a good income, but not enough applicants for those slots. She did say something about working hard and making sacrifices, but isn't that usually required of people who want to have a good income?
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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7359 on: May 01, 2023, 12:54:50 PM »
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CSUSHPINSA

https://www.epi.org/blog/the-value-of-the-federal-minimum-wage-is-at-its-lowest-point-in-66-years/

It's structural.

Your arguments remind me of people who said "outsourcing is ok because all American businesses have to do is be more competitive"...even as China and other foreign powers were and are manipulating their currency. As if the fact that it's possible to overcome a headwind, means the headwind doesn't matter. It does matter. Because if you put in the extra effort needed to overcome the headwind, without the headwind, you would be able to go even faster.

Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.

Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway.  Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor.  All but very few use such jobs to gain work experience or use the income to pay for living expenses while being trained for skilled (ie much better paying) jobs.  Besides, minimum wage laws only really serve to price out young and especially minority unskilled people keeping them off the first rung of the ladder.  Minimum wage should be $0 (partly because that’s really what it is anyway) because it shouldn’t be illegal for someone to agree to work for less when their labor really is worth less.  Then as they acquire more valuable skills their income rises, either by being paid more by their employer or by switching to a different employer that will increase their pay.

I was disappointed in my cumulative pay raises over the last several years so I looked for and was offered a different job at a significantly higher salary.  Eventually the clearance will come through and I’ll be able to start that job.  It’s what you do in this economy.  Or you make the decision to accept the substandard pay rate to get some other benefit (perhaps intangible) from the job.

But to try to say that a stagnant minimum wage rate is to blame for dual professional couples supposedly being being unable to afford housing is disingenuous at best.

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« Reply #7360 on: May 01, 2023, 01:26:06 PM »
Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway.  Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor. 

The minimum wage in Idaho is $7.25. There may be some people getting it, but I've never seen a job advertised at that rate. I have seen burger flipper jobs here advertised at $14-$16/hr, and even in my podunk town, the local diner was advertising part time help starting at $12. I doubt the owners make more than $20/hr themselves.

Plus the Home Despot I go to always has a sign out front hiring different positions at $16-$20/hr starting pay, part and full time. If the story I told a while back about the kids my siding guy was stuck with when he did my shop siding holds, it seems like part time jobs might be increasing because the kids don't want to work full time hours. Or if the kids he used are an indication, they want full time pay for a few hours a day of work, and they get to pick the hours.
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« Reply #7361 on: May 01, 2023, 02:16:02 PM »
Minimum wage is a bullshit metric anyway.  Very few people stay at minimum wage for very long, and it only applies to unskilled labor. 

Economies are interacting systems. When the government subsidizes something, it impacts everything in that sector or indeed the whole economy. Failure to recognize this is one of, if not the key conceptual failures that lead to the greatest tragedies of market manipulation.

If you are going to argue that minimum wage doesn't impact the labor market we are at an impasse because it's obvious that it does. The people who support it know that it does or they wouldn't support it. Those who oppose it know that it does, or they wouldn't oppose it.

General wages are effectively indexed off of minimum wage. In my direct experience, changes to minimum wage result in an immediate impact all the way up through the pay scale. Higher wages lag of course, and the minimum wage increase itself is inflationary, with the typical result of squeezing the middle class wages.

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All but very few use such jobs to gain work experience or use the income to pay for living expenses while being trained for skilled (ie much better paying) jobs. 

And...those things aren't important? They don't matter for the economy or people's individual situations?

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Besides, minimum wage laws only really serve to price out young and especially minority unskilled people keeping them off the first rung of the ladder.  Minimum wage should be $0 (partly because that’s really what it is anyway) because it shouldn’t be illegal for someone to agree to work for less when their labor really is worth less.

I agree completely. We are discussing the real world and the real US economy, and not a theoretical world. Here in the real world, minimum wage has been law of the land for over 85 years.

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Two salaried professionals can generally afford a house within commuting distance of pretty much anywhere in the US

For certain definitions of salary, certain definitions of "house", and certain definitions of "commuting distance" and certain definitions of "anywhere", true. All of these factors are changing unfavorably. People are moving around the country at an unprecedented rate trying to find those high paying jobs with affordable houses within reasonable commute distances.

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Not every high paying job requires a degree

I never said they did. I said "more jobs than ever before, including modestly paying jobs which previously didn't" require degrees. And costs of education have also increased massively. Which is indisputable.

Because you can fond a counterexample is not an argument that a trend doesn't exist.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7362 on: May 01, 2023, 03:14:50 PM »
Some HR folks are listing degrees as necessary whether they are or not. These are the same folks who require 5 yrs experience with Windoze 11...
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« Reply #7363 on: May 01, 2023, 03:51:45 PM »
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Not every high paying job requires a degree

I never said they did. I said "more jobs than ever before, including modestly paying jobs which previously didn't" require degrees. And costs of education have also increased massively. Which is indisputable.

Because you can fond a counterexample is not an argument that a trend doesn't exist.

You one hundred percent did say that.  I quoted it.  Here, I'll quote it again:


Sure, all the kids need to do is work harder, get some training, learn to code or whatever... nevermind even two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area (where the jobs are), and every high paying job requires a degree, and none of the low-paying jobs open any doors...

Sure, maybe they are all just uniquely lazy. It's a theory that is simple, seems right, and is wrong.

As for the other part of my rebuttal that you quoted:  Sure you can't automagically live wherever you want with two professional salaries, nor can you buy any home you might like.  But that's not what you said.  You said "two salaried professionals can't afford a house in their area", and that is almost universally untrue in America unless you consider "their area" to be within walking or biking distance of their jobs.

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Re: COVID-19/corona virus mega thread/prepping thread
« Reply #7365 on: May 05, 2023, 04:34:05 AM »
Here in St. Louis, we've seen a few areas where folks from other places, like Hong Kong, NYC, etc., have seriously skewed real estate prices...
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« Reply #7366 on: May 05, 2023, 10:08:56 PM »
New study seems to indicate a reason for heart problems in younger men that got the shot(s).

https://news.yahoo.com/small-study-finds-possible-clues-200221754.html


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An overactive immune response to the mRNA Covid vaccines may be the culprit in rare cases of heart inflammation seen in some young men after they receive the shot, a small study published Friday in the journal Science Immunology suggests.

The study was based on 23 patients ages 13 to 21 who developed myocarditis after their second dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine. An analysis of blood samples from nine of these patients — all of whom had gotten Pfizer — found elevated cytokine levels.
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« Reply #7367 on: May 06, 2023, 09:23:14 AM »
New study seems to indicate a reason for heart problems in younger men that got the shot(s).

https://news.yahoo.com/small-study-finds-possible-clues-200221754.html


Cytokines are associated with inflammation - I wonder what this might mean for those with chronic inflammatory diseases.
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« Reply #7368 on: May 06, 2023, 10:07:39 AM »
I've seen theories that cytokine storms are one of the primary reasons why the Spanish Flu epidemic tended to kill young healthy people at a FAR greater rate.
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« Reply #7369 on: May 11, 2023, 11:58:47 AM »
Now we have a customer that comes in wearing a mask, removes it upon entry, then dons it before he leaves.
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« Reply #7370 on: May 22, 2023, 11:38:47 AM »

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Global Supply Chains Now Have Spare Capacity for the First Time Since June 2020 as 10 Months of Subdued Demand, Inventory De-Stocking and High Interest Rates Bite: GEP Global Supply Chain Volatility Index

Lots of graphs for you nerds. Sadly, no Venn diagrams for dull-witted vice-presidents.  =(
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« Reply #7371 on: May 22, 2023, 11:41:08 AM »
Sadly, no Venn diagrams for dull-witted vice-presidents.  =(

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« Reply #7372 on: May 22, 2023, 11:58:33 AM »
Now we have a customer that comes in wearing a mask, removes it upon entry, then dons it before he leaves.

Pollen allergies?
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« Reply #7373 on: May 22, 2023, 12:04:52 PM »
He'll make his own up

I was thinking of the other dull-witted veep.
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« Reply #7374 on: May 22, 2023, 12:07:14 PM »
I was thinking of the other dull-witted veep.

Yeah her too. Vice for some reason bounce off my brain
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