What the Hell Iowa ?

[charby]

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinknews.co.uk%2F2020%2F02%2F17%2Frepublican-dennis-guth-iowa-senate-marriage-licence-divorce-2130-bill%2F&h=AT3vl8bcGNAG5tZL_j3eq5e2Z3q-2rrMKVbjTGT36RHeD53VLAcOZKsC-838T7Vuh8FfIFYimxfm_Q_O2j9l-eyCf6X_a-mJNk6tZlt-jT59awKuzeCf4SL6OTzWVLQ&s=1

Um no, this is about as dumb as a bag of hammers. I can't believe people like him get elected.

Basically, Republican wants to create a record of people’s sexual orientation and hand down harsh penalties to those who lie. (As the title of the article states)

[Jamisjockey]

If you ever wonder why I've gone Libertarian...

[Fly320s]

If you ever wonder why I've gone Libertarian...

So you can change your gender at will?

[makattak]

So... Any link to the actual bill rather than an interest group's fear-mongering interpretation of it?

[cordex]

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/legislation/BillBook?ba=SF2130&ga=88

https://globegazette.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/new-iowa-marriage-license-requirement-would-require-couples-to-disclose/article_6022dc0a-906e-5624-9562-5786484ea78c.html

Misrepresentation or nondisclosure would constitute fraudulent concealment of sexual orientation, which could be a factor in determining the custody arrangement that is in the best interest of a child if the marriage is dissolved.  A court could find a “rebuttable presumption” against the awarding of joint custody if it was determined one party fraudulently concealed a sexual orientation.

Sen. Dennis Guth, R-Klemme, said he brought Senate File 2130 on behalf of a constituent who was involved in a marriage dissolution “where her spouse falsified his sexual orientation and then later on she was not able to reveal that when she went to court. So this is just going to allow people in that specific situation to voice this in court,” he said.

[charby]

https://www.legis.iowa.gov/legislation/BillBook?ba=SF2130&ga=88

https://globegazette.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/new-iowa-marriage-license-requirement-would-require-couples-to-disclose/article_6022dc0a-906e-5624-9562-5786484ea78c.html

Thanks I'm on road for work and was going to post the first link when I got home.

[MechAg94]

Seems to me there is a better way to address that than adding another category to the driver's license database. 

[brimic]

Weird that the alphabet people wanted .gov to get involved in promoting and recognizing their sexual and relationship status, but complain when .gov get involved with recognizing their sexual and relationship status.  

Se also: be careful for what you wish for, you might get it, good and hard.

[cordex]

Seems to me there is a better way to address that than adding another category to the driver's license database. 

Marriage licenses, I believe.

[charby]

I wonder if he a conversion therapy person.

[MechAg94]

I wonder if he a conversion therapy person.

I don't know how much that really matters.  My main issue the reflexive BigGov solution when it is obviously unnecessary.

I think the example cordex quoted isn't a bad reason to do "something".  He is trying to drag everyone into a "solution" that really only needs to involve those getting married; and doesn't need to use a new govt database at all. 

[Jamisjockey]

I don't know how much that really matters.  My main issue the reflexive BigGov solution when it is obviously unnecessary.

I think the example cordex quoted isn't a bad reason to do "something".  He is trying to drag everyone into a "solution" that really only needs to involve those getting married; and doesn't need to use a new govt database at all. 

Sounds like the solution to a problem that is likely rare.  Does said legislator have any data to back up that this is some kind of problem?
I could also argue that any sort of marital betrayal is fraud.  Much like frauding an investor out of money, if you enter into a contract and decide to break the contract is that not fraud?

[brimic]

Much like frauding an investor out of money, if you enter into a contract and decide to break the contract is that not fraud?

Worse, if that fraud leads to taking 1/2 of everything that investor owns, plus a portion of future earnings.

[Perd Hapley]

Seems to me there is a better way to address that than adding another category to the driver's license database. 

Is this about marriage licenses or driver's licenses?

[MechAg94]

Is this about marriage licenses or driver's licenses?

My mistake.  I pulled up the original link on my phone earlier and I could have sworn it said driver's license but it does not.  That does narrow the scope of this down a bit.  Not sure what I think about that part. 

Sen. Dennis Guth, R-Klemme, said he brought Senate File 2130 on behalf of a constituent who was involved in a marriage dissolution “where her spouse falsified his sexual orientation and then later on she was not able to reveal that when she went to court. So this is just going to allow people in that specific situation to voice this in court,” he said.

Is there another way to do this without modifying marriage licenses?  I am not sure why this woman was not able to bring this up in court.

[charby]

Sounds like the solution to a problem that is likely rare.  Does said legislator have any data to back up that this is some kind of problem?
I could also argue that any sort of marital betrayal is fraud.  Much like frauding an investor out of money, if you enter into a contract and decide to break the contract is that not fraud?

Iowa is a no fault divorce state.

[Jamisjockey]

Iowa is a no fault divorce state.

Well that makes it even more vexing.  Why single out sexual orientation?  Why not marital infidelity? Financial infidelity? 

[Perd Hapley]

Well that makes it even more vexing.  Why single out sexual orientation?  Why not marital infidelity? Financial infidelity? 

Are people supposed to declare they're adulterous or financially fraudulent, when applying for a marriage license? Sexual orientation is supposed to be a basic fact of one's identity now.

This may or may not be good legislation, but it sounds like we're getting butthurt simply because a Republican said something about sexual orientation, so we must assume the worst, and crack wise about conversion therapy.

[MillCreek]

Worse, if that fraud leads to taking 1/2 of everything that investor owns, plus a portion of future earnings.

Spot on.

[cordex]

I think I oppose this bill on principle, but the alarmist version as presented by charby's chosen source is ... misleading at best.

This may or may not be good legislation, but it sounds like we're getting butthurt simply because a Republican said something about sexual orientation, so we must assume the worst, and crack wise about conversion therapy.

It sounds so much better to say "THEY'RE REGISTERING LGBTQRS AND HANDING DOWN HARSH PENALTIES!"

[Perd Hapley]

I think I oppose this bill on principle, but the alarmist version as presented by charby's chosen source is ... misleading at best.
It sounds so much better to say "THEY'RE REGISTERING LGBTQRS AND HANDING DOWN HARSH PENALTIES!"

Yup. When it comes to any of the diverse, rainbow-colored issues, the content of Republican/conservative speech doesn't matter. Anything we say is wrong.

[MillCreek]

My wife and I count numerous gay married couples amongst our friends, and several of them were first in straight marriages.  As I think about it, the majority of the people who came out in the straight marriage and divorced their partners were women.  Huh.  

[cordex]

My wife and I count numerous gay married gay couples amongst our friends, and several of them were first in straight marriages.  As I think about it, the majority of the people who came out in the straight marriage and divorced their partners were women.  Huh. 

I know a number of cases where this has happened as well (although slightly trending toward the male side).  As with most divorces it really sucks for the kids.  It is a nasty and selfish thing to bring children into a marriage knowing it will fail.

[charby]

I know a number of cases where this has happened as well (although slightly trending toward the male side).  As with most divorces it really sucks for the kids.  It is a nasty and selfish thing to bring children into a marriage knowing it will fail.

So do we need to say its ok to be homosexual and be with who you love? Not feel judged that you have failed as a human and subject yourself to a relationship you really don't want to be in?

[cordex]

So do we need to say its ok to be homosexual and be with who you love? Not feel judged that you have failed as a human and subject yourself to a relationship you really don't want to be in?

So stunning and brave in this benighted age where homosexuality is all but illegal, amirite?
It would be just awful for someone or some group of people to judge someone for something. Worse still that it only happens to homosexuals.