Shooting in Milwaukee

[Hawkmoon]

Nope. Even without it, the press would have smothered this one with a pillow. Remember the "mass shooter" in Virginia Beach? That story disappeared quickly, and for the same reasons.

Navy Yard shooter, too.

[Perd Hapley]

Other reports quoting neighbors say he'd been angry and paranoid after falling off a ladder, and making a workman's comp claim, and claiming there were "spies" in cars on his street watching him. (PI's verifying his injury?)

Was Dwight Schrute watching him?

[DittoHead]

I heard an NPR reporter doing an interview when this first happened.  He asked the interviewee about the possibility of racism being involved.  As in, had the shooter been a victim of racism or racial slurs or something and that's why he did it.  I'm guessing this was not the case or else the media would have been trumpeting the "fact" that the perpetrator was actually a victim . . . .

Sounds like there may have been some racism involved.

Six current and former employees and others with knowledge of the brewery said overtly racist acts have occurred there for years. A noose was found on Ferrill’s locker in 2015, they said, prompting a brewery-wide meeting with human resources.

“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.

The company said it offered security and human resources services to Ferrill, but did not say whether he had made use of them.

[RoadKingLarry]

Well, obviously he was fully justified then.
 

[makattak]

Sounds like there may have been some racism involved.

It is at least equally likely that he was already disgruntled and put the noose in his own locker, given the prevalence of racist vandalism hoaxes.

[AJ Dual]

It is at least equally likely that he was already disgruntled and put the noose in his own locker, given the prevalence of racist vandalism hoaxes.

We'll never know, but the odds are good. And it would possibly align with his workmans comp lawsuit and being angry that he believed PI's were monitoring him to see if he was faking.

Miller Brewing has a strong union culture, and union grievance culture too. When I worked IT there back over 23 years ago in the late 90's in the corporate offices, you couldn't move a computer from one desk to another, you had to load it on the cart, and then wait for the corporate (union) laborers to move it down the hall within 24 hours, and then you could set it back up on it's new desk.

I'm guessing to some, that's complete but to others used to working in a union shop, or where Union and corporate mix together might just call that "Tuesday".

[fifth_column]

Sounds like there may have been some racism involved.

I saw that article.  It had nothing but hearsay.  Yet the tone of the article was that all the statements were true and incontrovertible.  I'm not saying the statements were false, I've seen those kinds of cartoons, etc, albeit not in a professional setting.  I'm just saying they aren't necessarily true.

My favorite quote:  “Everyone knows the environment we worked in."  Because what "everyone knows" is so often 100% accurate . . .   

And, as RKL said, even if true it by no means justifies his actions.

[DittoHead]

I saw that article.  It had nothing but hearsay.  Yet the tone of the article was that all the statements were true and incontrovertible.  

HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.

And, as RKL said, even if true it by no means justifies his actions.

I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).

It is at least equally likely that he was already disgruntled and put the noose in his own locker, given the prevalence of racist vandalism hoaxes.

A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.

[AJ Dual]

HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.

Being a Milwaukeean and actually having worked at Miller for 10 years in one IT capacity or another, I'd say at least on an anecdotal gut-level it's at least "equally likely" he put the noose up himself. If not slightly more likely.  It really fits with the guy trying to deflect from his own work performance, and the contested workplace comp injury as well.

[fifth_column]

HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.

HR confirmed it...
“Our HR team notified him of the incident, it was investigated fully, no camera footage was available to show who placed it on the locker,” the company said in a written statement to The Washington Post.
I haven't seen anyone say otherwise (although I haven't been looking particularly hard).
A possibility? Sure. Equally likely? I dunno about that.

Nobody said it would justify his actions, I was just restating the obvious I guess.  There are an awful lot of fake hate crimes being reported.  There was one about the same time as this noose incident that occurred at UW Parkside in Kenosha, IIRC.  Kenosha is just 30 miles south of Milwaukee.  I think even odds might be about right . . .

[MechAg94]

As a exercise, do any of you know of a recent "noose" incident that was proven true (meaning actually placed there by a white racist) ?

[AJ Dual]

Nobody said it would justify his actions, I was just restating the obvious I guess.  There are an awful lot of fake hate crimes being reported.  There was one about the same time as this noose incident that occurred at UW Parkside in Kenosha, IIRC.  Kenosha is just 30 miles south of Milwaukee.  I think even odds might be about right . . .

I'd say a little more than even. Not that I can relate well... but in my mind is a noose even the "go to" symbol for a white person trying to express racial hate in 2000's America? It's obviously to imply a lynching, but lynchings largely gone since the 1960's, and in the north here in Wisconsin gone longer than that. Hell, I'm not trying to say that Milwaukee is some paragon of racial tolerance, but white Milwaukee did actually riot on behalf of a runaway slave back in the day. Almost an anti-lynching of sorts... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Glover

All anecdotal I know. But I feel like the "noose thing" is possibly more likely to be false flag than others because it gets ingrained in certain minds during black history lessons, and a piece of rope or cable is relatively low effort too.

[Hawkmoon]

Unless I'm confusing this incident with another workplace shooting, didn't one of the shooter's co-workers complain that the shooter spent much of his work day watching Netflix on his cell phone? He probably became disgruntled when it was suggested to him that he might be expected to work for that paycheck he received on a regular basis.