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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2020, 10:18:09 PM »
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2020, 01:04:18 AM »
That GoFundMe is no longer accepting contributions. Does anyone know why?

Isn't the state government coming out pretty strongly on her side? Is she behind bars right now? She may not have any further legal bills.

The Daily Wire says she closed the GoFundMe after it topped a half-million dollars.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2020, 10:31:41 AM »
Isn't the state government coming out pretty strongly on her side? Is she behind bars right now? She may not have any further legal bills.

The Daily Wire says she closed the GoFundMe after it topped a half-million dollars.
I thought I heard there was still some follow up legal action by the city that was still alive and well, but I forget where I saw that.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2020, 11:12:49 AM »
I work in the Permian Basin, been working there for the last 10 years. The Meal Team raid was bad. Folks in the Permian that once believed that cops would not take your guns if the order was given are re thinking that belief.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2020, 12:04:53 PM »
I think it just got more interesting. I took a look at the Ector County Sheriff's facebook page this morning and every post back to April 17 is gone (they were giving daily COVID case number updates). It now simply says "Under Maintenance".

Now we have another civil liberties issue... censorship. There have been rulings specifically stating that governments and public officials using FB as an official means of disseminating information cannot edit or delete comments posted there, or censor or ban individuals for posting them.

https://www.govtech.com/social/Can-Elected-Officials-Censor-Their-Critics-on-Social-Media.html

Looks like Sheriff Mike just took his Trouble Sundae and made it a Deluxe. I don't see he and the Buffet Brigade getting out of this one soon, or cheaply.

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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2020, 04:45:53 PM »
An interesting twist, though unrelated. Gov Abbott's chair of Emergency Communications is an Ector County judge.

https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/abbott-names-hays-chair-of-commission-on-state-emergency-communications

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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2020, 05:15:01 PM »
One of these days "they" are gonna try to pull one of these "respect my authority" events and we are going to have another Waco.

Another thing these incidents across the country should show everyone is that the cops WILL follow orders if they are ever told to confiscate guns.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2020, 05:38:33 PM »

Another thing these incidents across the country should show everyone is that the cops WILL follow orders if they are ever told to confiscate guns.

That's been obvious since Katrina
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2020, 05:39:30 PM »
One of these days "they" are gonna try to pull one of these "respect my authority" events and we are going to have another Waco.

Another thing these incidents across the country should show everyone is that the cops WILL follow orders if they are ever told to confiscate guns.
I would at least say that there are plenty that will even if not all of them.  Enough of them and scattered around enough that you really won't be able to say you are "safe" in your area.

I would hope that events like this one both get voters thinking about the local elections more and get LEO's thinking more about what they would be willing to do.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2020, 05:40:08 PM »
Oh, and the good sheriff is on Gov Abbott's Commission on Law Enforcement.

https://www.newswest9.com/article/news/local/sheriff-griffis-appointed-texas-commission-law-enforcement/513-b537dc30-233f-4737-82e0-93ac1f7b3b1d

https://www.tcole.texas.gov/

https://www.facebook.com/txcole/

If the Governor Abbott is any kind of man, he'll be tearing Sheriff Griffis a new ahole right now. If TCOLE has any integrity (and common sense), they'll be inviting him to kindly tender his resignation.

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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2020, 05:45:52 PM »
It also underscores that while Texas has a lot of things going for it, there are some areas where we have a lot of overly broad regulations open to abuse, the alcohol regulations appear to one.  I saw the definition of what they could consider "premises" near that bar and it sounded like they could pick someone up down the street in a Walmart parking lot and make the same charge. 
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2020, 06:22:50 PM »
It also underscores that while Texas has a lot of things going for it, there are some areas where we have a lot of overly broad regulations open to abuse, the alcohol regulations appear to one.  I saw the definition of what they could consider "premises" near that bar and it sounded like they could pick someone up down the street in a Walmart parking lot and make the same charge.  

The whole alcohol thing has always bugged me regarding guns. I'm sure some will disagree with me, but even beyond carrying in a place that serves alcohol, if you can't handle a beer, then don't carry and drink a beer. Simple. People meet up for lunch to have a burger and beer all the time, then get back in their cars and drive home, no drinking and driving problems with Johnny Law. But in some of those same states, if you just enter an establishment armed, look out.

I like the way they do it here. You can't be intoxicated and carry a gun. Doesn't mean you can't go into a bar and have a beer, or a glass of water.

Late edit: I just saw I left out a closing quote bracket and it made it look like what I wrote was a quote from mech.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2020, 06:43:38 PM »
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I like the way they do it here. You can't be intoxicated and carry a gun. Doesn't mean you can't go into a bar and have a beer, or a glass of water.
In TX you can't go into an establishment while carrying that makes 51% of its sales in alcohol for on-premises consumption, which means most bars are off limits to licensed carry. The term "intoxicated" AFAIK has NOT had any case law established in regard to licensed carry; the assumption (always a dangerous word) is that it has the ordinary meaning. Note that under TX law, there is no requirement to take a BAC or field sobriety test if you are carrying - unless you're also driving a motor vehicle.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2020, 07:10:10 PM »
The term "intoxicated" AFAIK has NOT had any case law established in regard to licensed carry;

That's certainly a danger. Without some number like a BAC, it will be left up to the cop, which could be good or bad.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #42 on: May 14, 2020, 01:26:36 PM »
In TX you can't go into an establishment while carrying that makes 51% of its sales in alcohol for on-premises consumption, which means most bars are off limits to licensed carry. The term "intoxicated" AFAIK has NOT had any case law established in regard to licensed carry; the assumption (always a dangerous word) is that it has the ordinary meaning. Note that under TX law, there is no requirement to take a BAC or field sobriety test if you are carrying - unless you're also driving a motor vehicle.
It doesn't help that the State sends those 51% signs to every establishment with a liquor license and many put them up with the other signs whether they actually make 51% of their income from alcohol sales or not 
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2020, 11:11:58 AM »
That's certainly a danger. Without some number like a BAC, it will be left up to the cop, which could be good or bad.
Without a BAC or the results of a field sobriety test, the cop will have to be able to articulate in court before a judge why you were a danger to yourself or others because of your intoxication based solely on his observations of your behavior. I've been told by an attorney that this is actually pretty difficult when no motor vehicle is involved, but in case of a bad cop, it will probably become a situation where "you'll beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride."

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It doesn't help that the State sends those 51% signs to every establishment with a liquor license and many put them up with the other signs whether they actually make 51% of their income from alcohol sales or not 
It's my understanding that posting a 51% sign in a non-51% establishment is considered a violation by the TABC, but it's unlikely any action will be taken other than telling the establishment to remove it.
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2020, 12:21:16 PM »
My 220 lb self will drink up to two beers and carry, shoot, hunt whatever. Legal for a 4000lb 65mph killing machine at that level.
AKA Navy Joe   

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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2020, 10:35:57 AM »
I work in the Permian Basin, been working there for the last 10 years. The Meal Team raid was bad. Folks in the Permian that once believed that cops would not take your guns if the order was given are re thinking that belief.

Any local updates? Over the weekend I tried to find an update but my Google Fu is weak.

ETA: Looks like Open Carry Texas is returning. I don't particularly care for their tone, which I think is caustic, inflammatory, and overly confrontational, but the part of me which usually cautions patience, decorum, and diplomacy is plumb out of shits to give. The Sheriff painted a big political target on his chest with his own poor decision-making. If he doesn't like it, maybe he'll get his head out of his ass before doing something this abysmally stupid again.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Open-Carry-Texas-plans-rally-to-teach-Ector-15288789.php

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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2020, 08:51:28 PM »
 [popcorn]

Twin Peaks II Coming soon to a Texas near you!

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« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2020, 09:17:30 PM »
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The story I got here in the DFW are was that the County was going to go broke with the costs of the trials... I don't know if that's ALL that was to this but it makes sense, and as far as I know, no innocent civilians were hurt or killed... Just MG members.

Very well could be the costs of such a large trial was too much for them
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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2020, 06:48:05 AM »
Any local updates? Over the weekend I tried to find an update but my Google Fu is weak.

ETA: Looks like Open Carry Texas is returning. I don't particularly care for their tone, which I think is caustic, inflammatory, and overly confrontational, but the part of me which usually cautions patience, decorum, and diplomacy is plumb out of shits to give. The Sheriff painted a big political target on his chest with his own poor decision-making. If he doesn't like it, maybe he'll get his head out of his ass before doing something this abysmally stupid again.

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Open-Carry-Texas-plans-rally-to-teach-Ector-15288789.php

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I sympathize with Open Carry Texas. Their folks were scooped up by LARPers on BS charges that even a cursory reading of the law would show was wrong.

And I am well into NWA territory on department's that roll around in military gear like they are doing a cordon and search in Fallujah. If I were emperor for a day every one of those cops would be unemployed with their Law Enforcement certifications canceled. We have a real problem with petty tyranny in the US and that Sheriff seems to be on the forefront. If I thought it could end well with the Sheriff being cucked and embarrassed in public, I'd be cheering OCT.

However,  I suspect that the LEO's ego is too involved,  and Meal Team Six will just escalate until there are a bunch of innocent folks in jail, or someone gets shot.  Because whatever the first protest was doing, the second one is absolutely carrying firearms to "intimidate the police" and that idiot won't allow himself to appear publicly intimidated. So OCT will have to be forced to bend the knee, whatever it takes.

Sidenote: didn't someone show up to an OC protest recently with an AT-4?  We need that guy when they roll their MaxxPro out again.

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Re: Dallas salon owner jailed for defying police state
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2020, 09:35:22 AM »
Would be funny as hell if this guy showed up.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a28472/texas-man-parks-sherman-tank-in-his-front-yard/

Watch the Paunch Platoon collectively *expletive deleted*it their pants as the turret slowly traverses towards their little toy. Maybe even have a giant "BANG!" flag pop out of the barrel for comedic effect.

I'm usually fully supported of law enforcement, at least around these parts. Most of them are good folks doing their job with the proper mindset and sense of restraint. This group, however? I hope they get their asses handed to them, both in real court and the court of public opinion. What they did was nothing short of jackbooted thuggery.

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