Turn in your gas stoves

[RoadKingLarry]

Are they going to eliminate gas ranges in commercial kitchens? Because the vast majority of commercial kitchens use gas ranges.

Most of the proposed legislation I've looked at have a blanket ban on NG in any new construction.

[WLJ]

Some animals are more equal than others.

In Palo Alto, California, local administrators have given an exemption to celebrity chef José Andrés that will allow his new restaurant to use gas stoves.

"Faced with a threat of a lawsuit, Palo Alto administrators have reversed their earlier decision and will now allow the new restaurant that chef José Andrés plans to open at Stanford Shopping Center to use natural gas," Palo Alto Online reported.

Simon Property Group (SPG) originally applied to build this restaurant in 2019, receiving local approvals before the city council revised the building codes which required all new buildings to be electric. The developer installed a gas line into the building before city officials instructed that the building would have to be updated to the new code.

The attorney continued by arguing how it would alter the "caliber" of the food and would force the five-star restaurant to change its menu.

"Without a gas connection and appliances, Zaytinya would be forced to alter its signature five-star menu, which it is unwilling to do," Shimko wrote. "Zaytinya cannot compromise the caliber of its cuisine and reputation, and if SPG cannot provide gas in Building EE, Zaytinya will likely choose not to locate within the City. This would be an unfortunate loss for the residents of Palo Alto, as well as a compensable loss for which SPG would be forced to seek redress."

California city gives celebrity chef José Andrés an exemption for his restaurant to use gas stoves
https://www.foxnews.com/media/california-city-gives-celebrity-chef-jose-andres-exemption-restaurant-use-gas-stoves

[charby]

Looks like the pettiness between the "Freedom Caucus" and the current speaker of the house, is going to get gas stoves banned.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gas-stove-procedural-defeat-puts-fragility-mccarthys-speakership/story?id=99881238

[Ben]

Gas furnaces are next:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-preparing-target-americans-gas-furnaces-amid-stove-crackdown

[charby]

Gas furnaces are next:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-preparing-target-americans-gas-furnaces-amid-stove-crackdown

Leftists better fall in love with nuclear, because that is going to take a lot of energy to heat the northern states. Move everyone south and you have the energy usage of cooling.

Electric everything, vehicles, stoves and furnaces. Better start spending trillions on upgrading electricity production and the grid.

[WLJ]

Leftists better fall in love with nuclear, because that is going to take a lot of energy to heat the northern states. Move everyone south and you have the energy usage of cooling.

Electric everything, vehicles, stoves and furnaces. Better start spending trillions on upgrading electricity production and the grid.

In the idea leftest world you won't need electricity.



Meanwhile the elites

[Ben]

Leftists better fall in love with nuclear, because that is going to take a lot of energy to heat the northern states. Move everyone south and you have the energy usage of cooling.

Electric everything, vehicles, stoves and furnaces. Better start spending trillions on upgrading electricity production and the grid.

It will be interesting in electricity starved California as well. I don't know the percentages, but I believe I never once lived in or visited anyplace in CA that wasn't gas heated. I was actually kind of shocked to see so much electric (via heat pump) heating here in Potatoho.

EDIT: I take that back - I remember a few places that had subfloor/baseboard heating, which was becoming popular with rich liberals who could afford the install.

[WLJ]

The choices they're setting us for us.
Do I charge the car so that I can go to work tomorrow or do I instead turn on the heat so that the kids don't freeze to death tonight? Honey, how are we doing on Soylent Green?

[HankB]

It will be interesting in electricity starved California as well. I don't know the percentages, but I believe I never once lived in or visited anyplace in CA that wasn't gas heated. I was actually kind of shocked to see so much electric (via heat pump) heating here in Potatoho.

I remember when CA was experiencing blackouts and brownouts under Gov. Gray Davis. Someone in California proposed - seriously - that the Federal government require Nevada to send California all the extra electricity they needed. If Nevada consequently came up short, Idaho, Utah, and Arizona would be required to send them enough power to replace what they were going to send to California. Colorado and New Mexico in turn would have to make up any resulting shortages in Idaho, Utah, and Arizona. And so forth and so on - their proposal involved California calling the shots on electrical distribution all the way East as far as Indiana.

This proposal went nowhere, but I I'm positive that it's still in someone's desk, ready to be dusted off and resubmitted as soon as their all-electric mandates start having the unintended - but entirely foreseeable - negative consequences.

[RocketMan]

Those bills weren't going anywhere, they were moot anyway.  They would not have passed in the Senate.  And if by some miracle they did, Biden would have vetoed them.
This provided the folks disappointed with McCarthy's leadership an opportunity to express their opinions.

[charby]

I was actually kind of shocked to see so much electric (via heat pump) heating here in Potatoho.

It takes a lot to put in a NG infrastructure, I'm guessing at the time Idaho wasn't that populated when the Rural Electrification Act occurred, and folks still heated with wood/coal. Low population density means low smog indexes too. So, a carryover from stuff that happened 70-80 years ago.

[charby]

Those bills weren't going anywhere, they were moot anyway.  They would not have passed in the Senate.  And if by some miracle they did, Biden would have vetoed them.

Yes, but it still shows due to political pettiness that the conservatives will vote against their own principles to burn someone deemed less conservative to try and prove a point.

They need to take a lesson from the democrats and vote in lockstep when needed.

[RocketMan]

It takes a lot to put in a NG infrastructure, I'm guessing at the time Idaho wasn't that populated when the Rural Electrification Act occurred, and folks still heated with wood/coal. Low population density means low smog indexes too. So, a carryover from stuff that happened 70-80 years ago.

Idaho has always benefitted from the abundant hydropower in the PNW.  And of course, lefties are doing their best to tear down those dams that provide the hydropower in that region.

[RocketMan]

Yes, but it still shows due to political pettiness that the conservatives will vote against their own principles to burn someone deemed less conservative to try and prove a point.

They need to take a lesson from the democrats and vote in lockstep when needed.

The Republicans aren't called "The Stupid Party" for nothing.  That moniker has been well earned.

[Ben]

Idaho has always benefitted from the abundant hydropower in the PNW.  And of course, lefties are doing their best to tear down those dams that provide the hydropower in that region.

Yup. Super cheap and abundant electricity here. And yeah, even one of the Republican congressmen is pushing for dam removal, probably due to contributions from the recreational fishing orgs.

[WLJ]

As a side note I've lost count of the number of times when responding to a "the computer won't turn on" call only to find this under the desk.

[sumpnz]

With the push to electrify everything, charby is right that the left needs to embrace realistic means of producing the electricity needed to power everything.  Otherwise even the average person will revolt.  That average person might be willing to go along with the idea of climate change, and that “fossil fuels” are bad.  But they won’t appreciate being made to chose between heat in the winter (or ac in summer) and being able to cook dinner or being able to drive to work, etc.  Being forced to decide things like that, instead of having it all, makes them cranky.

I’ve done the math on charging BEV big rig trucks.  If the whole fleet were converted to BEV it would take 50-100% of the total national electricity supply from 2022 to keep them running down the road.  There is no way we will be able to double or more electricity production with wind and solar.

[MechAg94]

Trying to connect the left to anything resembling "reality" these days is a lost cause.  There are a lot of things that would be acceptable if it were well run and well designed, that never happens. 

As far as the Republicans, I don't know what else is in this bill.  If they were just going to pull out the "gas oven" part, it makes me wonder what else they are rolling over for. 

[cordex]

Wait, if we're all eating zee booogs, do we even need to heat them up?

[RoadKingLarry]

In the idea leftest world you won't need electricity.



Meanwhile the elites

Nope, way off. I see smoke from probable cooking fires. Those also will not be allowed, You can eat your bugs and grass raw as nature intended.

[Pb]

Nope, way off. I see smoke from probable cooking fires. Those also will not be allowed, You can eat your bugs and grass raw as nature intended.

I saw a map of air pollution, as measured by particulates.  It was very low in the USA... and I was surprised at how bad it was in Africa... I am guessing it may be due to cooking fires, which are actually very unhealthy, especially inside a house.

Here's the map I saw:

[RoadKingLarry]

Anybody paying attention to the wildfires in Canada?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canadian-wildfire-smoke-maps-air-quality-alerts/

I think the US needs to sue Canada for the pollution.

[sumpnz]

Anybody paying attention to the wildfires in Canada?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canadian-wildfire-smoke-maps-air-quality-alerts/

I think the US needs to sue Canada for the pollution.

That kind of thing is a near annual occurrence out west. 

They keep trying to blame climate change but whatever small increase in temperatures may have occurred (and yearly variations are at least an order of magnitude larger anyway) can’t be driving the problem.  The overzealous firefighting of the last century, and the more recent bans on slash burning, and environmentalists lawsuits to stop salvage logging of insect and fire killed trees have resulted in huge increases in the amount of fuel for fires.

[WLJ]

JHFC
Wonder how much money went into his bank account for this?

President Joe Biden will use special wartime powers to boost US production of heat pumps, by funding nine manufacturing projects with $169 million from last year's climate bill, the Energy Department said on Friday.

The awards were granted under the emergency authority of the Cold War-era Defense Production Act (DPA), which Biden invoked on the basis of climate change to boost spending on clean energy technology.

'The President is using his wartime emergency powers under the Defense Production Act to turbocharge US manufacturing of clean technologies and strengthen our energy security,' said Biden's National Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi in a statement.

So if he's using Cold War era powers to combat global warming does that make this the Warm War?

Biden invokes emergency wartime powers to boost heat pump production with $169M in federal funds in administration's latest push to replace gas appliances
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12765207/Biden-heat-pump-DPA-wartime-climate-change.html

[Nick1911]

Meanwhile, the R410A refrigerant that those heat pumps are using... is being phased out by the EPA. 

The American Innovation and Manufacturing (AIM) Act authorizes EPA to phase down production and consumption of Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) in the United States by 85 percent by 2036.

Quotas will be tightened down yearly, and have already begun.  I am not aware of residential equipment using new A2L refrigerants being available at my supply house yet.