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Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #425 on: June 05, 2020, 09:37:48 PM »
Yup.  The New York Post is saying it was the entire emergency response team. Good.  F'em.


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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #426 on: June 05, 2020, 10:03:33 PM »
Yeah, I might not agree with the politics of the old guy and he may have been a loudmouth, but that was an ugly video and really bad optics with the one cop stopping the other one from checking on him.  I guess once again, the victim was the wrong color, wrong sex, and wrong age for outrage.
I saw another clip that showed other officers come right behind them and start checking on the guy (see link below).  You can see 2 or 3 buys looking at him behind all the others toward the end.  The guy who prevented the officer from stopping got on his radio right after that.  Was he reporting that?  Don't know.  

I wasn't sure what was going on when he fell.  The one guy pushed him back, but I couldn't tell how hard he pushed.  I figure a younger guy wouldn't have fallen like that but I don't know.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1268727392505417731

I agree it was bad optics, but I didn't see it as that ugly aside from how he hit his head.  I saw a tweet earlier claiming the old guy was concussed and was receiving medical care and largely okay.  With everything else going on lately, this one seemed minor to me.  

Hell, treat the one officer like normal criminals.  Charge him with assault and battery.  Then let him plea down to a misdemeanor and release him after a few days with no felony.  
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #427 on: June 05, 2020, 10:21:50 PM »
https://www.rt.com/usa/490401-cassandra-fairbanks-home-attacked-rioters/

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1267369933014536192

I found a link about the journalist who had  a group show up at her house.  Sounded to me like they were firing all those fireworks at her house.



I am pretty sure I remember using deadly force to prevent arson was allowed.  Maybe not everywhere.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #428 on: June 05, 2020, 10:22:18 PM »
Lots of cardboard and wooden pallets in average retail distribution center.  Then there are thousands of tons of goods and products, much of which will burn nicely once ignited.  Lots of fuel to sustain a major fire, and all of it stored vertically in 45 foot tall racks.

Yes, and I'm certain the building code anywhere in California requires rack sprinklers systems for rack storage. If the building went up, it's about 95 percent certain that it was arson. The way sprinkler systems work is that the water supply is based on a small fire setting off two or four heads in the immediate vicinity of the fire to knock it down before it can spread. The number of heads, the water supply requirement, and even the droplet size from the heads is determined on the basis of the nature of what's stored.

With VERY rare exceptions, sprinkler system that open all the heads when one goes off, such as we see in the movies, simply don't exist. Those are called "deluge" systems for a reason, and they require HUGE amounts of water -- for a large building, more water than most public water mains can carry. It's possible for a fire to escalate so rapidly that it would overwhelm the sprinkler system, but it's unlikely. If the sprinklers don't put it out, they almost always slow it down enough to allow the FD time to respond and to finish knocking down the fire before it spreads to involve the entire structure.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #429 on: June 05, 2020, 10:26:11 PM »
I thought I remember hearing many sprinkler heads had lead stoppers or something similar that would melt in the heat of the fire opening up the water flow.  Not sure if they still do that.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #430 on: June 05, 2020, 11:23:35 PM »
I thought I remember hearing many sprinkler heads had lead stoppers or something similar that would melt in the heat of the fire opening up the water flow.  Not sure if they still do that.

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The ones I see in the telco central office I work in have some kind of red plastic looking thing. We had a fire last July in one of the business offices when a humongous PC monitor self immolated. The fire was rapidly extinguished and the damage was contained to a relatively small area. The problems we had which included losing the swithc and knocking out 911 service to most of NE oklahoma was a result of there being no one in the building to turn off the sprinkler water supply. It to a little over 90 minutes to get them shut off. Dats a lotta water!

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #431 on: June 06, 2020, 12:35:40 AM »
Another case of shoving people leads to serious head injury. Maybe, at some point, they will get a hint.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #432 on: June 06, 2020, 12:50:53 AM »
Yes, and I'm certain the building code anywhere in California requires rack sprinklers systems for rack storage.

I know that sprinklers in rack storage were only required for racks storing particularly flammable items in the buildings I worked in or visited over the years.  We called them "waterfall racks".  Otherwise, it was sprinklers 45 feet overhead in the ceiling.  Plenty of opportunity for fires starting at floor level to become established before any ceiling sprinklers would trigger.
Putting sprinkler heads inside racks is asking for trouble as it's very difficult for team members driving reach trucks to see them from the floor.  Too easy to knock them loose and cause false alarms, damage product, etc., when placing pallets of product in higher levels.
 
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #433 on: June 06, 2020, 12:55:04 AM »
I thought I remember hearing many sprinkler heads had lead stoppers or something similar that would melt in the heat of the fire opening up the water flow.  Not sure if they still do that.

I don't think they use lead as the fuse but, yes -- in a normal system, each head operates independently. If a fire starts directly under a head, and that one head releases enough water to put out the fire, no other heads will open up. If the fire grows faster than one head can handle, then more heads will open. At some point, however, more heads opening is a bug rather than a feature. I don't know how rack systems are calculated but, for ordinary hazard contents (office buildings, light manufacturing, etc.), the amount of water required is based on four heads operating, and the pipes are sized to carry that much water to the most remote part of the building from where the sprinkler main enters the building.

So, in theory, the system will provide full flow to as many as four heads. If more heads open, the pressure in the system drops and the heads don't throw as much water, or throw it as far. They still discharge water, but eventually if enough heads open there's not much more than a drip coming out of each one.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #434 on: June 06, 2020, 07:52:29 AM »
Regarding Mattis, I've read that we can expect an anti Trump roundtable discussion with him, Kelly and a couple other former high ranking officials sometime in September. He's a loyal swamp creature.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #435 on: June 06, 2020, 08:24:19 AM »
Yeah, I might not agree with the politics of the old guy and he may have been a loudmouth, but that was an ugly video and really bad optics with the one cop stopping the other one from checking on him.  I guess once again, the victim was the wrong color, wrong sex, and wrong age for outrage.

There is a ton of outrage out there, you just have to know where to look.  It is everywhere on Imgur.
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Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #436 on: June 06, 2020, 08:31:03 AM »

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Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #438 on: June 06, 2020, 09:06:35 AM »
So these two "Ivy League" lawyers have been an interesting sub-story. They threw a moltov cocktail into a police van. While it was empty, I haven't seen any evidence that they knew that.

I find it interesting because at least one of them made it through school via some Soros entity money, and the woman was bailed out by a high level Obama official. A higher court has ordered her re-arrested though.

Tinfoil stuff, but the "coincidence" of Soros and Obama connections make you think regarding high level behind the scenes organization.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/molotov-cocktail-attack-on-nypd-court-orders-defendants-taken-back-into-custody


On the tangent, this is more proof validating my theory that at present, a state college education is just as good or better than an Ivy League education. The Ivy League schools have become nothing more than political machines.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #439 on: June 06, 2020, 10:11:27 AM »
A good view of the huge institutional issues with police that allows Floyd-like situations to occur. Why did police involved in Floyd's case think that they could kill him in broad daylight without consequences for themselves?

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #440 on: June 06, 2020, 11:01:55 AM »
Here's one along the same line but will warm your heart a little (I know I needed it)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721GYRlmBR4  ;)
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #441 on: June 06, 2020, 11:34:12 AM »
A good view of the huge institutional issues with police that allows Floyd-like situations to occur. Why did police involved in Floyd's case think that they could kill him in broad daylight without consequences for themselves?

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

I am not convinced they intended to kill Floyd.  I think it is more likely they just didn't care.  He heard him saying he couldn't breathe and assume that meant he was breathing.  Never bothered to check on his welfare for several minutes even after he was unconscious.  I don't know if that meets the definition of murder or not.  More information might change my opinion.

Thanks for sharing the video.  I think I have seen parts of that.  They looked older.  If the media cared about journalism, they would be doing that all over the country.  Local Govts should be testing their own cops.  
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #442 on: June 06, 2020, 11:48:05 AM »

What happens when you attempt to file a complaint against a police officer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

Well, that was enlightening.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #443 on: June 06, 2020, 12:09:13 PM »
Regarding Mattis, I've read that we can expect an anti Trump roundtable discussion with him, Kelly and a couple other former high ranking officials sometime in September. He's a loyal swamp creature.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/03/read-mattis-statement-on-trumps-handling-of-nationwide-protests.html
I hadn't bothered to read Mattis' statement from the other day.  Those are typical leftist talking points.  Leftists have been working to divide this country for decades while accusing everyone else of doing so.  He is either one of them or stupid enough to believe their BS.  I don't like either possibility (if there is another, I would like to hear it).  I would have thought that working for Trump he would understand Trump a bit, but his statement practically assumes Trump has ordered active duty troops to go in and shoot everyone.  
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #444 on: June 06, 2020, 01:53:21 PM »
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392279/amp/Police-officer-set-fire-protesters-Mexico-amid-clashes-man-died-custody-cops.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Shocking footage shows the moment a police officer is set on fire by protesters in Mexico amid violent clashes over the death of a man who died after he was beaten and taken into custody.

Protesters took to the streets Guadalajara, the nation's second-largest city, on Thursday and called for authorities to be held responsible for the death of Giovanni López.

Lopez was declared dead at a local hospital following an altercation with the police, reportedly because he was not wearing a face mask amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Video from Thursday's demonstration shows the moment a police officer turns away from protesters and got on a motorcycle, before a man is seen dousing him in liquid and setting him on fire.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #445 on: June 06, 2020, 04:56:11 PM »
Well, that was enlightening.
And fully unsurprising
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #446 on: June 06, 2020, 05:14:51 PM »
Here's one along the same line but will warm your heart a little (I know I needed it)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721GYRlmBR4  ;)
Well, those comments complete my quote of the day "If you're arresting a lawyer while he's smiling at you, you may want to think this over"  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Though "Do I get my phone call now?" "Sure" "Yeah honey I'm gonna be late, some unexpected income handcuffed me" is a very close contender.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #447 on: June 06, 2020, 05:44:53 PM »
Well, those comments complete my quote of the day "If you're arresting a lawyer while he's smiling at you, you may want to think this over"  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Though "Do I get my phone call now?" "Sure" "Yeah honey I'm gonna be late, some unexpected income handcuffed me" is a very close contender.

I've decided that the comment "For your protection and mine" has gone up a few notches on my "irritating comments" list. We all know it's for the cop, not the detainee that hasn't been arrested or charged.
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Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #448 on: June 06, 2020, 06:50:51 PM »
I've decided that the comment "For your protection and mine" has gone up a few notches on my "irritating comments" list. We all know it's for the cop, not the detainee that hasn't been arrested or charged.
I figure it's code for "so I'm a bit less likely to shoot you"

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Re: Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #449 on: June 06, 2020, 07:36:58 PM »
I figure it's code for "so I'm a bit less likely to shoot you"

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