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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #625 on: June 14, 2020, 02:45:05 PM »
During a discussion on the phone a couple of evening ago I looked it up. Blacks are still only about 13 percent of the population of the United States, yet many liberal institutions that have blacks as 30%, 40% or 50% of their staffs are being criticized for not having "enough" blacks.

Put that in perspective: 13 percent of 8 is 1.04 so if a company with 7 employees has one black on staff ... blacks are technically over-represented. What ever happened to the apparently obsolete notion that a color-blind society meant hiring the person best qualified for the job irrespective of color?
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #626 on: June 14, 2020, 03:13:05 PM »
From a text message conversation that started about the riots and eventually made it's way to slavery and it's effects that I had with a few friends.  This was the black guy's take.



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Yes the idea of slavery being tied to skin color was very much a new twist to it.

I think it stems from the European colonist coming from a feudal cast system defaulting to a similar system but based upon skin color. And it's an easy sell. And the poor whites liked it because where as in Europe they were the bottom of the system now in America they aren't. They can now look down on slaves and of course the"savage" Natives.

The similar situation today is in the Apologizing for your white privilege.

The person apologizing thinks that they are better than the Black, that they have a higher station in society solely because of thier skin color. A black that accepts that apology is validation of the view that the white is better than the Black.

This is a new tactic in Democrat 150-year history of controlling Blacks.

Perhaps I shouldn't contradict someone who (judging by his name) was actually there, but I think racism arose from the circumstances of the time. Europeans, for whatever reason, had made significant advances in technology, science, philosophy, and other areas than the rest of the world. Navigation was one of those areas, so they traveled around, seeing how "backward" the other "races" were, compared to them. It was an age that looked for naturalistic, scientific reasons for things, so Europeans chalked it up to the physical differences between themselves and others. It so happened that Africans were ready to offer up other Africans as slaves, so they got pegged as the slave race. And if you make it illegal to teach them anything but drudge work and housekeeping, then they also end up looking dim-witted and in need of guidance.

After a few hundred years, it's hard on both sides to come back from all that ugliness.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #627 on: June 14, 2020, 03:14:45 PM »
What ever happened to the apparently obsolete notion that a color-blind society meant hiring the person best qualified for the job irrespective of color?

This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #629 on: June 14, 2020, 05:39:50 PM »
This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

Nonsense indeed.

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However, colorblindness alone is not sufficient to heal racial wounds on a national or personal level. It is only a half-measure that in the end operates as a form of racism.

So making a conscious effort NOT to be racist is racist. Thanks for clarifying that.

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Racism? Strong words, yes, but let's look the issue straight in its partially unseeing eye. In a colorblind society, white people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society (Fryberg, 2010).

BS. BS as soon as you see the words "white people who are unlikely to experience disadvantage due to race." Why? Because disadvantage and advantage are not predicated on race alone. There are millions of whites in this country who experience disadvantage, maybe because they don't come from wealthy families, maybe because they didn't go to the "right" schools, maybe because of their accent, maybe because they're dumb, maybe because they're fat, maybe because they're not "beautiful" (enough) -- gazillions of reasons. I find it fascinating that the SJWs seem to be of two minds with regard to Hispanics/Latinos. When it suits their purpose, all Latinos/Hispanics are "people of color." But, at other times, only Black Hispanics are "people of color," and other Latinos/Hispanics are lumped in with the privileged class -- which, around here anyway, they aren't a part of.

My late wife was a Latina. She was very clear about it. She was a Latina, because she was from Latin America. She was NOT a Hispanic, because she was not from Spain. Claro?

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Most minorities, however, who regularly encounter difficulties due to race, experience colorblind ideologies quite differently. Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives.

There is nothing about color blindness that in any way rejects cultural heritage or invalidates anyone's perspective. Equal opportunity is equal opportunity. It has nothing to do with a person's cultural heritage or perspective. I've worked in two different offices in which the office manager was a female Native American. Both were enrolled members of their respective tribes -- they were the real deal. They knew their heritage, they had their perspective ... but they didn't wave it like a flag 24/7/365, and nobody rejected their heritage or tried to invalidate their perspective. In another office, the bookkeeper was Italian-American. I think her parents were first generation -- the family spoke Italian at home, not English. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that her parents probably experienced at least as much discrimination as most blacks in this region ever experience.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #630 on: June 14, 2020, 06:02:18 PM »
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maybe because of their accent, maybe because they're dumb, maybe because they're fat, maybe because they're not "beautiful"

I got 3 outa 4 there (and there are some that would say 4 outa 4)  :rofl:
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #632 on: June 14, 2020, 06:43:44 PM »

Perhaps I shouldn't contradict someone who (judging by his name) was actually there, but I think racism arose from the circumstances of the time. Europeans, for whatever reason, had made significant advances in technology, science, philosophy

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, and other areas than the rest of the world. Navigation was one of those areas, so they traveled around, seeing how "backward" the other "races" were, compared to them. It was an age that looked for naturalistic, scientific reasons for things,

Except that they would have been well aware of India, China, & Ethopia, as ancient and relatively advanced cultures.

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so Europeans chalked it up to the physical differences between themselves and others. It so happened that Africans were ready to offer up other Africans as slaves, so they got pegged as the slave race.

I think that's probably closer to it.  Sub-Saharan Africans were convenient.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #633 on: June 14, 2020, 06:46:32 PM »
BS. BS as soon as you see the words "white people who are unlikely to experience disadvantage due to race." Why? Because disadvantage and advantage are not predicated on race alone. There are millions of whites in this country who experience disadvantage, maybe because they don't come from wealthy families, maybe because they didn't go to the "right" schools, maybe because of their accent, maybe because they're dumb, maybe because they're fat, maybe because they're not "beautiful" (enough) -- gazillions of reasons.

They only see skin color, and sex.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #634 on: June 14, 2020, 07:16:50 PM »
Which black lives matter? There are over 1000 black ethnicities with their own cultures and language.

Which whites have privilege? There may not be 1000 white etnicities but there are a lot.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #635 on: June 14, 2020, 07:27:48 PM »
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He points out that homicide-victimization rates for black men were 3.9 times the national average and that 52 percent of all known homicide victims were black (2017 data). He might have added that the perpetrators of these crimes were overwhelmingly African Americans. In 2018, where the homicide victim was black, the suspected killer also was 88 percent of the time. And this is not an exceptional situation. From 1976 to 2005, 94 percent of black victims were killed by other African Americans. In fact, as I will demonstrate, high rates of black-on-black killing have been the norm for well over a century. But this is not an issue Abt wants to address.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #636 on: June 14, 2020, 07:58:23 PM »
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #637 on: June 14, 2020, 08:08:59 PM »
Which black lives matter? There are over 1000 black ethnicities with their own cultures and language.

Which whites have privilege? There may not be 1000 white etnicities but there are a lot.



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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #638 on: June 14, 2020, 08:41:20 PM »
My brainwashed far left cousin insists that Trump and the federal government is planting rioters in Antifa and the protests to frame the left for a crackdown

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #640 on: June 15, 2020, 12:05:24 AM »
My brainwashed far left cousin insists that Trump and the federal government is planting rioters in Antifa and the protests to frame the left for a crackdown



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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #641 on: June 15, 2020, 10:00:16 AM »
This kind of nonsense is what happened to it.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culturally-speaking/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism

I wonder if she respects Dr. King's work even though she disagrees with his goal?
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #642 on: June 15, 2020, 10:06:00 AM »
I wonder if she respects Dr. King's work even though she disagrees with his goal?

Be willing to bet money that if you quoted some of MLK's speeches without telling her who said it she would label much of it racist. You know, crazy things like judging people by their character and not by the color of their skin and blacks and whites standing together. Then when you told her who said it she would call you racist for quoting it.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #643 on: June 15, 2020, 10:23:28 AM »
That's my first thought everytime night sticks or batons are brought up.  There's a reason we moved away from them.

The issue is that cops go to weapons to often, and don't take proper care in their use of force.  Changing which weapon they go to doesn't fix the underlying issue.
I bring up batons or sticks because everyone seems to get upset that cops go to guns too quickly.  How many less lethal options can we give them?  They all require training and discretion in their use.  Even hands on tactics (jiu jitsu) that some people recommend still require good judgement.  

The biggest problem I have on the other side is all this is encouraging suspects to wrestle and fight with police.  You can argue that the guy in Atlanta shouldn't have been shot when pointing a taser back at police, but that was after a few minutes of fighting already happened.  It sure seems the consequences of doing this don't scare the suspects too much.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #644 on: June 15, 2020, 10:55:18 AM »
What percentage of blacks involved in police shootings were/are career criminals and/or have extensive records? Whites?
In Non police shootings?

Safe to say not being a criminal greatly reduces your chance of being shot by a police officer or otherwise.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #646 on: June 15, 2020, 01:19:16 PM »
Relevant to our discussions on Qualified Immunity:

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/876853817/supreme-court-will-not-re-examine-doctrine-that-shields-police-in-misconduct-sui


I suspect we will need carefully crafted, narrow legislation that then survives a court challenge to see any real reform on this issue.

Sadly, carefully crafted narrow legislation doesn't seem to be in our legislature's wheelhouse.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #647 on: June 15, 2020, 01:45:09 PM »
I bring up batons or sticks because everyone seems to get upset that cops go to guns too quickly.  How many less lethal options can we give them?  They all require training and discretion in their use.  Even hands on tactics (jiu jitsu) that some people recommend still require good judgement.  

The biggest problem I have on the other side is all this is encouraging suspects to wrestle and fight with police.  You can argue that the guy in Atlanta shouldn't have been shot when pointing a taser back at police, but that was after a few minutes of fighting already happened.  It sure seems the consequences of doing this don't scare the suspects too much.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #648 on: June 15, 2020, 04:13:14 PM »
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #649 on: June 16, 2020, 08:04:30 AM »
"Don't whine when people ask you what you're blathering about. Which incident in St. Louis are you talking about? "

I'll say again, more googling, less bitching and stop being a lazy prat. If you do a little of your own work I'm sure you can figure out a way to turn it into an abortion debate.
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