It's about darn time: Antifa to be designated a "terrorist organization".

[lupinus]

Redhawk, it sounds like you think an Islamic terror cell shouldn't be designated a terror cell, because people have a right to believe in Islam. I just don't think that's how it works.

The difference is that the more apt comparison would be declaring Islam a terrorist organization instead of going after specific cells intending to do harm in the name of Islam. There's a difference

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[Perd Hapley]

Antifa has claimed they have a presence in many countries.

I thought they started in Europe.

[Perd Hapley]

The difference is that the more apt comparison would be declaring Islam a terrorist organization instead of going after specific cells intending to do harm in the name of Islam.

How so?

[TommyGunn]

It came to me what really bothers me.

There's a war going on for your mind.

Designating an ideology as illegal opens the door to thoughtcrime.

Democrats do this with firearms ownership.  Republicans do this through BigState reactions to criminal actions.  But they both do it.  They think they can control my thoughts.  They think they have license to do so.

I refuse to grant that license.

I reserve all manner of right to any and all thoughts.  To explore all ideologies for merit or lack of merit.  To freely associate with anyone I wish, free from criminal allegation for mere association.

I don't see anyone trying to forbid your thoughts, nor do I see how they'd do it.

DON'T THINK OF PINK ELEPHANTS!!!!

I bet you just thought of a pink elephant.

No one knows what you're thinking.

If you don't riot, pillage,  and overturn police vehicles the authorities probably are not worried about you.

[Ben]

If you don't riot, pillage,  and overturn police vehicles the authorities probably are not worried about you.

Well, unless you're current or former military, an NRA member, or a number of other associations that fall into the "likely to be domestic terrorists" label used by a number of politicians and even Federal LE agencies.

I recall a thread here maybe a couple of years back linking to a fed LE report that pretty much labeled every member here sympathetic to domestic terrorists (e.g., "militias") based on our associations and/or hobbies.

If they just stuck to "riot and pillage" it might be okay, but they don't, and all it takes is the right (or more accurately, wrong) politician(s) in positions of power to make beliefs and associations "terrorism".

[TommyGunn]

Well, unless you're current or former military, an NRA member, or a number of other associations that fall into the "likely to be domestic terrorists" label used by a number of politicians and even Federal LE agencies.

I recall a thread here maybe a couple of years back linking to a fed LE report that pretty much labeled every member here sympathetic to domestic terrorists (e.g., "militias") based on our associations and/or hobbies.

If they just stuck to "riot and pillage" it might be okay, but they don't, and all it takes is the right (or more accurately, wrong) politician(s) in positions of power to make beliefs and associations "terrorism".

OK,   point made.

Let me rephrase: If you're not rioting, pillaging and overturning police vehicles the authorities shouldn't open up on you with  Chainguns and flamethrowers ....

[JN01]

If you don't riot, pillage,  and overturn police vehicles the authorities probably are not worried about you.

If you do riot, pillage, and overturn police vehicles the authorities don't seem to be all that interested either.

[Ben]

OK,   point made.

Let me rephrase: If you're not rioting, pillaging and overturning police vehicles the authorities shouldn't open up on you with  Chainguns and flamethrowers ....

And if the authorities, or private citizens protecting themselves and their property DID open up with chainguns and flamethrowers, with no repercussions*, we likely wouldn't be discussing needing to make the antifa cowards a terrorist organization, because they'd be too afraid to loot in the first place.

Much of this violence happens because there are few or no repercussions. The authorities (and counter-protestors) are more likely to take violent action against KKK members doing nothing but holding signs. While the KKK is reprehensible, if they're being non-violent, ignore them. Antifa and others actually harming people are somehow given passes, and people who defend themselves against them are more likely to be jailed than the antifa members. Hit a KKK member just holding a sign, and you're given a medal. Defend yourself against an antifa goon trying to bash your head in with a bike lock, and prepare to be arrested in many jurisdictions.

*Hyperbole, yes, but more realistically, two to COM or a load of buckshot should be perfectly valid forms of defense.

[MechAg94]

And if the authorities, or private citizens protecting themselves and their property DID open up with chainguns and flamethrowers, with no repercussions*, we likely wouldn't be discussing needing to make the antifa cowards a terrorist organization, because they'd be too afraid to loot in the first place.

Much of this violence happens because there are few or no repercussions. The authorities (and counter-protestors) are more likely to take violent action against KKK members doing nothing but holding signs. While the KKK is reprehensible, if they're being non-violent, ignore them. Antifa and others actually harming people are somehow given passes, and people who defend themselves against them are more likely to be jailed than the antifa members. Hit a KKK member just holding a sign, and you're given a medal. Defend yourself against an antifa goon trying to bash your head in with a bike lock, and prepare to be arrested in many jurisdictions.

*Hyperbole, yes, but more realistically, two to COM or a load of buckshot should be perfectly valid forms of defense.

Agreed.  I think that is the biggest issue.  The rioters are given a pass and called peaceful when they are anything but peaceful.  People defending themselves are treated as murderers. 

These people are acting like a bunch of adult toddlers on a temper tantrum.  The worst thing you can do is indulge them.  The best thing to do is show them actions have consequences. 

[kgbsquirrel]

Agreed.  I think that is the biggest issue.  The rioters are given a pass and called peaceful when they are anything but peaceful.  People defending themselves are treated as murderers. 

These people are acting like a bunch of adult toddlers on a temper tantrum.  The worst thing you can do is indulge them.  The best thing to do is show them actions have consequences. 

The politicians allow it because they are owned by the same people; antifa is bought and paid for by benefactors to provide the popular fear required so their bought and paid for politicians can ram/sneak through their bad legislation that further enriches or empowers said benefactors.

[Hawkmoon]

OK,   point made.

Let me rephrase: If you're not rioting, pillaging and overturning police vehicles the authorities shouldn't open up on you with  Chainguns and flamethrowers ....

So AR-15s and shotguns are okay, then?

Good to know ...

[AZRedhawk44]

And if the authorities, or private citizens protecting themselves and their property DID open up with chainguns and flamethrowers, with no repercussions*, we likely wouldn't be discussing needing to make the antifa cowards a terrorist organization, because they'd be too afraid to loot in the first place.

Much of this violence happens because there are few or no repercussions. The authorities (and counter-protestors) are more likely to take violent action against KKK members doing nothing but holding signs. While the KKK is reprehensible, if they're being non-violent, ignore them. Antifa and others actually harming people are somehow given passes, and people who defend themselves against them are more likely to be jailed than the antifa members. Hit a KKK member just holding a sign, and you're given a medal. Defend yourself against an antifa goon trying to bash your head in with a bike lock, and prepare to be arrested in many jurisdictions.

*Hyperbole, yes, but more realistically, two to COM or a load of buckshot should be perfectly valid forms of defense.

Firefly/Serenity's "Miranda" comes to mind.

You can't MAKE people better (whatever metric defines "better").  But they're trying.  They're trying ever so hard, via thought-policing.  Kid gloves when punishing commie agitators, steel fist when dealing with those arrested for rightful self defense against rioters and arsonists.

Increased gun ban legislation every time there's a shooting, rather than punishing the criminal.  Keep on "socializing the loss." 

[Ben]

Firefly/Serenity's "Miranda" comes to mind.

You can't MAKE people better (whatever metric defines "better").  But they're trying.  They're trying ever so hard, via thought-policing.  Kid gloves when punishing commie agitators, steel fist when dealing with those arrested for rightful self defense against rioters and arsonists.

Increased gun ban legislation every time there's a shooting, rather than punishing the criminal.  Keep on "socializing the loss." 

Speaking of...

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/03/what-the-actual-f-missouri-ag-says-local-prosecutor-released-back-onto-the-streets-every-person-arrested-for-rioting-and-looting-in-st-louis/

[MechAg94]

Speaking of...

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/06/03/what-the-actual-f-missouri-ag-says-local-prosecutor-released-back-onto-the-streets-every-person-arrested-for-rioting-and-looting-in-st-louis/

I saw a tweet that the Dallas County prosecutor was declining to pursue charges there as well, but there was no link. 

[MechAg94]

Firefly/Serenity's "Miranda" comes to mind.

You can't MAKE people better (whatever metric defines "better").  But they're trying.  They're trying ever so hard, via thought-policing.  Kid gloves when punishing commie agitators, steel fist when dealing with those arrested for rightful self defense against rioters and arsonists.

Increased gun ban legislation every time there's a shooting, rather than punishing the criminal.  Keep on "socializing the loss." 

And typical of communists is they don't understand human nature at all which means they have no idea what makes better people and they fail when they try. 

I am not sure if they understand power either, but they understand that better than human nature. 

[WLJ]

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[TommyGunn]

And if the authorities, or private citizens protecting themselves and their property DID open up with chainguns and flamethrowers, with no repercussions*, we likely wouldn't be discussing needing to make the antifa cowards a terrorist organization, because they'd be too afraid to loot in the first place.

Much of this violence happens because there are few or no repercussions. The authorities (and counter-protestors) are more likely to take violent action against KKK members doing nothing but holding signs. While the KKK is reprehensible, if they're being non-violent, ignore them. Antifa and others actually harming people are somehow given passes, and people who defend themselves against them are more likely to be jailed than the antifa members. Hit a KKK member just holding a sign, and you're given a medal. Defend yourself against an antifa goon trying to bash your head in with a bike lock, and prepare to be arrested in many jurisdictions.

*Hyperbole, yes, but more realistically, two to COM or a load of buckshot should be perfectly valid forms of defense.

No disagreement there at all .   

[TommyGunn]

So AR-15s and shotguns are okay, then?

Good to know ...

The Chaingun and flamethrower was sarcasm. 

Shotties  are OK  but my preference would be the AR-15.










Or nuking them from orbit.   ...............

[Ben]

Project Veritas:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/04/our-revolution-cannot-be-stopped-project-veritas-infiltrates-antifa-exposing-the-terrorist-movement-and-holy-crap-watch/

[TommyGunn]

Project Veritas:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/06/04/our-revolution-cannot-be-stopped-project-veritas-infiltrates-antifa-exposing-the-terrorist-movement-and-holy-crap-watch/

They're a bunch of arrogant narcissistic thugs right now,  but if/when they get better organized,  they could be serious trouble.

[RocketMan]

From the video, they look pretty well organized right now.  How much more organized do they need to be?  Aren't they causing serious trouble right now?
Spoke with my father two days ago.  He says they're trashing Portland, that it's not safe in many parts of the city.

[makattak]

From the video, they look pretty well organized right now.  How much more organized do they need to be?  Aren't they causing serious trouble right now?
Spoke with my father two days ago.  He says they're trashing Portland, that it's not safe in many parts of the city.

While many of the Anti-First-Amendment people are laughable basement dwellers, not all of them are.

It doesn't take a lot of competent people to make use of the useful idiots/cannon fodder.