Live feed of protests from kenosha

[WLJ]

Also... when blacks are committing drive by's and B&E's in their teen years and their moms come out of the woodwork about their angelic boys, we're quick to label them as adults and ascribe full culpability to their decisions.

Why are you so eager to take this young man's ownership of his own actions away from him?

Apples and oranges

One group is trying to cause mayhem the other stop it. The two require two totally different approaches. While often similar physically they're often totally different mentally

[AZRedhawk44]

Apples and oranges

One group is trying to cause mayhem the other stop it. The two require two totally different approaches. While often similar physically they're often totally different mentally

By that argument, this 17 year old is far more mature than the inner city hoodlums.  That makes the moms' arguments that their sons dindoonuffin more valid, and treating them like children more logical.  And treating this 17 year old as an adult also more logical.

[WLJ]

By that argument, this 17 year old is far more mature than the inner city hoodlums.  That makes the moms' arguments that their sons dindoonuffin more valid, and treating them like children more logical.  And treating this 17 year old as an adult also more logical.

How did I think he may have been in over his head lead to an argument over values, morals, and sense of responsibly or lack there of and bad parenting?

[RocketMan]

He's a scant few months away from being able to kill at the State's whim as part of its Armed Forces though.

Is it somehow wrong for him to kill in defense of his own idealism, but right if given absolution by the State's grace?

Howard Fast's April Morning comes to mind, the main character in that novel is 15.

He's 17 so he is already old enough.  I joined the Marines as a 17 year old high school graduate.

[WLJ]

He's 17 so he is already old enough.  I joined the Marines as a 17 year old high school graduate.

And went straight to training and had command looking over you or did they just hand you a gun and say go hit the beach?

A 50 year old could be in over his head if he's not properly mentally prepared. Age has nothing to do with it. When did I bring up age?

[RoadKingLarry]

I need to heck my popcorn supply for tonight's rioting.
 

[WLJ]

We expect our police to have at at least some training in handling situations like this don't we? Don't we criticize them when they don't have proper training? At the very least to know how to to react. How much preparation did this kid have?

I'm not saying he's at fault I'm just saying, actually asking, if his, i guess you could say inexperience, factored into this? Could a more experienced/trained person defused the situation? As i said I don't know. I DON'T KNOW

[WLJ]

I need to heck my popcorn supply for tonight's rioting peaceful, harmonious, protests for justice .
 

FIFY

[Hawkmoon]

I'm not saying he's at fault I'm just saying, actually asking, if his, i guess you could say inexperience, factored into this? Could a more experienced/trained person defused the situation? As i said I don't know. I DON'T KNOW

The kid's fault was in being there at all. I haven't been able to figure out who started what against whom but one thing seems clear -- if this kid had stayed home in Antioch, IL, he wouldn't now be in jail facing multiple felony charges. The problem is (IMHO), too many of these protesters don't quite understand that life isn't a video game. You don't get resets, you don't get do-overs, and your actions have consequences.

[WLJ]

The kid's fault was in being there at all. I haven't been able to figure out who started what against whom but one thing seems clear -- if this kid had stayed home in Antioch, IL, he wouldn't now be in jail facing multiple felony charges. The problem is (IMHO), too may of these protesters don't quite understand that life isn't a video game. You don't get resets, you don't get do-overs, and your actions have consequences.

You don't get new arms

[bedlamite]

You don't get new arms

Well then maybe don't assault someone that's has a rifle and is trying to run away.

[WLJ]

Speaking of arms.
Someone posted on another forum that Arm Man, the one with the handgun and is now more than likely missing an arm (I don't know how heck that could be repaired, is a convicted felon and that's it was illegal for him to process a gun.

Someone also said people have been photoshopping out the gun on some sites.

BOTH ARE UNCONFIRMED BY ME

[WLJ]

Does anyone know if either IL or WI have an age 18 limit for rifles?

[RocketMan]

And went straight to training and had command looking over you or did they just hand you a gun and say go hit the beach?

A 50 year old could be in over his head if he's not properly mentally prepared. Age has nothing to do with it. When did I bring up age?

My post was in reply to AZRedhawk's post about him being a few months away from being able to enlist in the service.  That kid being eligible at 17 was my point.  It had nothing to do with you or your post.

[MikeB]

Someone stitched all the video together.

https://streamable.com/amp_player/dnero4?__twitter_impression=true

If he was a resident/business owner protecting his own property I’d really be leaning toward clear self defense. Being underage from out of town he is going to have a hard legal battle and may still be convicted of some crimes, but the current charges I’m seeing proposed may be overcharging.

There is still some question I suppose as to what started them chasing him in the first place. He was running and being threatened the entire time though and endured several assaults or attempted assaults.

[WLJ]

My post was in reply to AZRedhawk's post about him being a few months away from being able to enlist in the service.  That kid being eligible at 17 was my point.  It had nothing to do with you or your post.

Got it
Nevvver  Mind

[WLJ]

Someone stitched all the video together.

https://streamable.com/amp_player/dnero4?__twitter_impression=true

If he was a resident/business owner protecting his own property I’d really be leaning toward clear self defense. Being underage from out of town he is going to have a hard legal battle and may still be convicted of some crimes, but the current charges I’m seeing proposed may be overcharging.

There is still some question I suppose as to what started them chasing him in the first place. He was running and being threatened the entire time though and endured several assaults or attempted assaults.

I feel they're way overcharging in an attempt to appease the masses for the moment. Later when things calm down maybe, hopefully, they'll drop most of them.

[MikeB]

I feel they're way overcharging in an attempt to appease the masses for the moment. Later when things calm down maybe, hopefully, they'll drop most of them.

Hopefully for his sake. I don’t have a ton of sympathy for the Antifa/BLM crowd, but I’d rather no one was killed or injured. I think you hav to accept that may happen if you engage in rioting, assault, arson, etc.

He should have just stayed away though. He made his bed too by going there. It’s entirely different when the rioters come to you vs going to them.

[Hawkmoon]

Well then maybe don't assault someone that's has a rifle and is trying to run away.

You were close.

[dogmush]

Looking back on some images from the LA riots that popped up on my social media feeds today another thing stands out.  Rooftop Koreans had the high ground, and a defensible position.  This kid was trying to do the Mogadishu Mile.  Not a great position to be in.

*Note, I'm not blaming the kid, he may have done his best with the hand he was dealt and he's probably right *expletive deleted*ed at this point., but we can all learn from others mistakes.  Don't be in a riot.  If you accidentally find yourself in a riot, don't be singled out to be easy prey for the mob.

[lee n. field]

Does anyone know if either IL or WI have an age 18 limit for rifles?

Underage in IL have to have a parent sign off on the FOID.  That's all the limit I'm aware of.  Can't buy one, of course.

[Perd Hapley]

You're all missing the real take-away here, which is the same as in the McCloskey Moment. That is, if you don't want private citizens confronting rioters (or protestors) with rifles, then how 'bout we fund the police?

(Guess what those "protestors" in St. Louis were on about that day?)

[Ben]

Shooter is saying he was a militia member.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/26/17-year-old-charged-with-first-degree-murder-after-fatal-shooting-in-kenosha-tuesday-night/

Dana Loesch linked to a video analysis with different angles than I've seen so far:

https://youtu.be/rdMTghlrFiw

[WLJ]

Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight

[Hawkmoon]

Dana Loesch linked to a video analysis with different angles than I've seen so far:

https://youtu.be/rdMTghlrFiw

That didn't last long. YouTube has taken it down already. It must not fit the narrative.