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Re: Dune
« Reply #300 on: March 23, 2024, 03:14:35 PM »
Is it on streaming yet?

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Re: Dune
« Reply #301 on: March 24, 2024, 11:29:16 AM »
Slight tangent, but every time I think I've seen all the uncut scenes from the original Dune, another one pops up. This one is with Harah, Jessica, and Alia. In some ways I can see why it was cut, because Alia's scream (using The Voice?) seems very forced. Nevertheless, despite the hate many have for the original (I like it), I would really love to see a full, uncut version of it someday. Even if it's five hours long.

https://youtu.be/dbaYiWE3Ttk
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Re: Dune
« Reply #302 on: March 24, 2024, 09:17:31 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJykw3H4PDw

Might have been posted before.  There is a fan edit of the 80's Dune called the Spice Diver Fan Edit.  It adds in some deleted scenes.  I watched it a while back and liked it. 
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Re: Dune
« Reply #303 on: March 24, 2024, 09:19:49 PM »
I watched it and, aside from a couple dumb Hollywood tropes that should have been avoided, enjoyed it 100%. Now the more I think about it, the more problems I can find with it. Solution: don't think about it too much.
That is kind of my position.  I liked the movie.  It was very very well made.  A long movie that didn't seem long in the theater. 

There were just some departures from the book that bother me the more I think about it. 
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Re: Dune
« Reply #304 on: March 24, 2024, 09:26:57 PM »
Dune is about climate change......or something

‘Dune’ Is a Climate Story We Can Actually Root For
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-03-06/-dune-part-two-is-a-climate-story-we-can-actually-root-for?utm_source=website&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=twitter

Leftist Killjoys Co-Opt 'Dune', Stick Heads Up Own Arrakis Instead
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/03/16/bloomberg-dune-climate-change-story-n2393970

Yes the climate of Arrakis and how it's creature including humans adapted to it is a part of the story but that doesn't make it a climate story.
Guy reminds me of that Family Guy character that thinks Star Trek is about Sulu

I think it was either in the Dune book or a prequel about Kines, there was plenty of water on Dune for it not to be a complete desert, but the little makers kept the water locked up underground.  I think the Fremen were setting up gardens in the far North and bribing the spacing guild to keep anyone from knowing about it.

It would be kind of interesting if we learned that earth's climate was changing due to the action of microbes of some kind. 
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Re: Dune
« Reply #305 on: March 24, 2024, 09:30:24 PM »
The departures are forgivable if it helps adapt the script to the screen. But there's too many other flaws.

It's never explained in-movie why they have lasguns, but don't use them.

Why did it take feyd rautha to come up with the idea of using artillery? Isn't "bomb the enemy's base" basically a starting strategy?

Why did they only use sandworms on the last battle?

Why did nuking the mountains throw giant boulders for miles but not kill everyone from radiation and shockwave?

Why can paul get stabbed X times and not need any rest or medical attention?

What's the point of any conflict in the movie if the bene gesserit basically call every shot ever anyway?

It's a really good movie as long as you don't ask questions. Reinforcing my theory that the main problem with modern Hollywood is always writing.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #306 on: March 24, 2024, 09:36:05 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJykw3H4PDw

Might have been posted before.  There is a fan edit of the 80's Dune called the Spice Diver Fan Edit.  It adds in some deleted scenes.  I watched it a while back and liked it.

Hey, thanks for that, Mech.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #307 on: March 24, 2024, 09:49:14 PM »
The departures are forgivable if it helps adapt the script to the screen. But there's too many other flaws.

It's never explained in-movie why they have lasguns, but don't use them.

Why did it take feyd rautha to come up with the idea of using artillery? Isn't "bomb the enemy's base" basically a starting strategy?

Why did they only use sandworms on the last battle?

Why did nuking the mountains throw giant boulders for miles but not kill everyone from radiation and shockwave?

Why can paul get stabbed X times and not need any rest or medical attention?

What's the point of any conflict in the movie if the bene gesserit basically call every shot ever anyway?

It's a really good movie as long as you don't ask questions. Reinforcing my theory that the main problem with modern Hollywood is always writing.
I think they briefly mentioned the laser gun issue with shields in the first movie.  It never explained why people were using lasers all the time.  There was a scene in the first movie where one character was flying out of the city to get away.  They were firing lasers at him which would seem stupid if he had shields on the craft.  Destroy the whole city. 

They compressed the timeline a great deal in this version so Paul and Chani's relationship doesn't get much time.  Paul was with the Fremen for 2 or 3 years. 

The Fremen were the greatest fighters in the universe from the start in the movie rather than learning the weirding way from Paul and Jessica to make them even better.  Again, no time for that to happen. 

In the book, Paul knew how to make rockets and other weapons the Fremen started using.  He also had been training at guerilla warfare tactics and advising the Fremen in their raids on the Harkonnen.  That was part of what gained him respect such that he was recognized as the leader. 

There is probably other stuff about the movie I may have missed.  Since I have read the book, some of the back story is assumed.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #308 on: March 24, 2024, 10:41:54 PM »
Slight tangent, but every time I think I've seen all the uncut scenes from the original Dune, another one pops up. This one is with Harah, Jessica, and Alia. In some ways I can see why it was cut, because Alia's scream (using The Voice?) seems very forced. Nevertheless, despite the hate many have for the original (I like it), I would really love to see a full, uncut version of it someday. Even if it's five hours long.

https://youtu.be/dbaYiWE3Ttk

I prefer the '84 version as well with the only disagreement being that somebody younger than Kyle MacLaclan should have started the movie and Kyle come in after the wars had started.
I didn't really like seeing Thufir die that way despite knowing from the book that he had pulled his own heart plug.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #309 on: March 25, 2024, 09:10:06 AM »
The whole "using sounds as a weapon" seems cheezy now.  However, at least it got the point across that Paul and Jessica had something to teach and helped the Fremen become better fighters. 
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Re: Dune
« Reply #310 on: May 13, 2024, 11:46:01 AM »
Just got notification that the Part 2 blu-ray has shipped and should arrive Wednesday. Woohoo!

There best not be an emergency somewhere Saturday evening 'cause I won't be available.

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Re: Dune
« Reply #311 on: May 13, 2024, 01:17:05 PM »
Just got notification that the Part 2 blu-ray has shipped and should arrive Wednesday. Woohoo!

There best not be an emergency somewhere Saturday evening 'cause I won't be available.

Brad

Ha ha - same here, except mine is showing up tomorrow! I've been avoiding part 2 spoilers like crazy, so I'll probably watch it tomorrow night.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #312 on: May 13, 2024, 01:47:58 PM »
I saw that Part II was available for rent on Amazon Prime, but they wanted like $25 to rent it.  Still to rich for me. It's "coming soon" on Max, which is already paid for, so I will probably wait for that.

As far as spoilers, I assume that Paul will raise a Freman Army to take back Arrakis, start a holy war, there will be some worm riding, Jessica will give birth to a creepy little girl, there will be a final showdown where Paul kills the not fat Harkonnen nephew, and afterwards he'll marry the Emperor's daughter, while keeping Chani as a mistress.  Something like that anyways since the Sci-Fi nerds haven't blown up Twitter decrying the disrespect to the source material.   >:D >:D

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Re: Dune
« Reply #313 on: May 13, 2024, 02:36:41 PM »
I saw that Part II was available for rent on Amazon Prime, but they wanted like $25 to rent it.  Still to rich for me. It's "coming soon" on Max, which is already paid for, so I will probably wait for that.

Yeah, I saw that last month - $25 to rent or $30 to buy streaming. The UHD disc was $30, but between my rural internet connection and my paranoia about stealth editing by big tech, I'm kinda soured on buying streaming and have been getting back into DVDs.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #314 on: May 15, 2024, 12:23:42 PM »
HBO doing a Dune series on the origins of the Bene Gesserit set ~10,000 years before the events in Dune scheduled to air late 2024

Dune: Prophecy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune:_Prophecy

Teaser trailer

Dune: Prophecy | Official Teaser | Max
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEoQAoEGLhw

Visually looks good but the devil is in the details which means I'm reserving opinion until more is known
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Re: Dune
« Reply #315 on: May 15, 2024, 12:48:42 PM »
Quinn's Ideas having a look at the trailer and I've only watched part of it but he's having reservations about it looking too much like Villeneuve's Dune despite it occurring 10k years before. Also said he's not a huge fan of the books this may or may not be based on.

New DUNE HBO Show "Dune The Prophecy" Trailer Reaction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH3Tu3wsO5s
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Re: Dune
« Reply #316 on: May 15, 2024, 12:59:07 PM »
Looks like I'm signing back up for HBO Max...
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Re: Dune
« Reply #317 on: May 16, 2024, 01:18:23 AM »
Let us all just hope that Disney does not get ahold of this.
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Re: Dune
« Reply #318 on: May 16, 2024, 06:03:52 AM »
Let us all just hope that Disney does not get ahold of this.
Why?  You like Dune … Disney will give you Dune. 18 live action movies,  12 live action shows, 36 animated shows, all with completely fresh perspectives on what the plot should be untainted by knowledge of the original books and with a new and modern social message.

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Re: Dune
« Reply #319 on: May 16, 2024, 07:47:37 AM »
And a Palestinian-supporting flaming transgender cross dressing double amputee as Paul Atreides
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Re: Dune
« Reply #320 on: May 16, 2024, 08:33:08 AM »
And a Palestinian-supporting flaming transgender cross dressing double amputee as Paul Atreides

Pauline Atreides
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Re: Dune
« Reply #321 on: May 16, 2024, 09:02:02 AM »
Why?  You like Dune … Disney will give you Dune. 18 live action movies,  12 live action shows, 36 animated shows, all with completely fresh perspectives on what the plot should be untainted by knowledge of the original books and with a new and modern social message.
And they will all cost more than they should yet make no profit. 

Has Disney Made Any Actual Profit With Star Wars Since 2012?
https://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2024-04-15-has-disney-made-any-actual-profit-with-star-wars-since-2012/
No, they haven't.  They made most of those shows in Britain for the tax breaks and their tax filings are public so people have been digging.  I have seen arguments against this, but I think they still are not as profitable as they would be if they were competent. 
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Re: Dune
« Reply #322 on: May 16, 2024, 11:21:32 AM »
Let us all just hope that Disney does not get ahold of this anyone else's IP ever again.

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Re: Dune
« Reply #323 on: May 16, 2024, 01:49:15 PM »
And I heard in Disney's latest earning report, Bob Iger referred to it as "IP mining".  Which seems to show they don't really give a damn about the properties. 
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Re: Dune
« Reply #324 on: May 17, 2024, 07:03:26 PM »
Why?  You like Dune … Disney will give you Dune. 18 live action movies,  12 live action shows, 36 animated shows, all with completely fresh perspectives on what the plot should be untainted by knowledge of the original books and with a new and modern social message.

Would the musical be called "Showdunes"?
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