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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1100 on: October 31, 2024, 01:16:50 PM »
Speed limits are a whole fiasco.

In the US, the original doctrine for speed limits is that they are supposed to be DESCRIPTIVE OF THE ROAD, and primarily for safety. The "speed sign" is supposed to inform you how fast THE ROAD is...how fast you can safely drive the car on it. It was NOT originally supposed to tell you how fast you actually could or should drive -- that's up to the driver. And it wasn't supposed to be a statutory limit of how fast you are permitted to drive. It was supposed to convey real, consistent, objective information to the drivers about the ROAD ahead. They weren't considered "speed limits", they were just "road speed signs".

The standard way to set these "road speed" signs, at least in the US, is/was to observe actual drivers using the road, and then set the "speed sign" to the 85th percentile of the speed of actual road users. The whole idea is that based on the narrowness or curviness etc. of the road, you post a sign to inform drivers "you probably want to go about 40mph here, based on what most drivers do. If you have a big truck, better go slower, if you have a sports car, you'll be fine at 50, but 85% of drivers go 40 here". This is still officially the method for setting speed signs in many road design manuals and practices in the US. When they use this 85th percentile, they usually invoke the term "design speed" of the road as opposed to the "statutory speed limit". But you have no idea if a given "speed limit" sign is a "design speed" sign or a "statutory speed limit" sign, and that's the whole problem.

Speed signs like this still exist on the German Autobahn. Everyone knows there's no "speed limit" in the US sense. But you might be confused to still see the "speed signs" on the autobahn. These are speed signs of the original type. Those are informing you about the road, for your information, but you won't get a ticket for going faster unless you do something else stupid. But they are ACCURATE, and you can trust them, and better pay attention to them. They weren't set by politicians. It's YOUR responsibility to drive your vehicle appropriately, and the road speed signs are a tool to help you do that.

In actual practice, widespread auto mobility has been practically a humanitarian crisis. Millions of people are seriously injured every year in the US alone (a staggering 300 billion dollars of hardware are smashed every year too) and it was never better, it used to be even worse. The idea that we can trust drivers to drive responsibly, just didn't work out, especially not in the US, where anyone who can fog a mirror gets a drivers' license, there is usually no practical alternative to driving, and we never take away licenses basically ever. Maybe it works a little better in Germany, where getting a license means you have to take real driver training, multiple tiers of licenses, take 6 hours of first aid training (seriously), official yearly eye exam, 0.05% BAC is an instant license suspension, 0.08% is instant license revocation, and causing an accident above 0.03% (seriously) can result in jail time, special endorsements required for transmission type and vehicle type, etc. But in the US, we talk big about personal responsibility, but nobody wants to actually hold drivers responsible for their behavior (nowadays that would probably be considered racist too) so we get the lowest common denominator solutions as always, punishing everyone. Texas and Montana were the last states to have roads without statutory speed limits. 

Attempts to limit car speeds are the earliest and most effective attempts to stop the automobility bloodbath. Statutory speed limits are perfectly legitimate for populated areas. 90% of pedestrian collisions under 20mph are survivable. In the earliest days of automobiles, some cities didn't let cars enter at all unless accompanied by a guide walking, the logic being that cars going walking speed was the only safe way to mix cars with pedestrians (still basically true). Cincinnati had a citywide 20mph speed limit and even tried to pass a law requiring 25mph speed governors as early as 1925. There are plenty of reasons to allow cars into environments where they need to drive slower than they could technically negotiate an empty road.

The problem is the failure to maintain a clear distinction between "road-speed indicators" of the original type, and statutory speed limits. In the US, this has devolved to where all the signs say SPEED LIMIT, you have to assume it's a statutory speed limit I guess, but you really have no idea. When you implement the statutory speed limit, you lose the information about the road design. Assuming you obey the limit, you are stuck going just as fast in a Miata as a loaded Amazon truck. And since the reason for the speed limit varies -- sometimes safety, sometimes noise, sometimes congestion management, increasingly rarely A RELIABLE INDICATOR OF THE ROAD CONDITION like they should be, but you'll never know which -- the speed limit can no longer be trusted to tell you anything about the road at all. There are plenty of rural roads with 55mph speed limits will definitely kill you if you try to go that fast. But more often, the speed limit is set deliberately low for noise or safety reasons, so people learn to ignore them, then when they come across a road that has a REALISTIC speed limit, they look at the 30mph sign, shrug it off and assume they will be fine going 40, and then end up over the mountain.

I guess in the ideal world, roads would be marked with both...the actual design speed, and the statutory speed limit, if any. But as usual, we can't have nice things, and nobody wants to recognize the problem much less fix it.


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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1101 on: October 31, 2024, 06:21:38 PM »
Did someone look in a mirror and say "car laws" 3 times? It IS Halloween.

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1102 on: October 31, 2024, 06:54:48 PM »
zahc - in many cases, posted speed limits can be traced to two words: REVENUE ENHANCEMENT.

Post an unreasonably low limit, many will exceed it - PRESTO! Cops hand out tickets like candy and watch the money roll in.

Saying something of the sort during voir dire when sitting as a potential juror in my local town kept me from being chosen as an actual juror. (Although I DID serve twice previously.)
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1103 on: October 31, 2024, 07:14:15 PM »
Did someone look in a mirror and say "car laws" 3 times? It IS Halloween.

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1104 on: November 12, 2024, 02:28:29 PM »
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1105 on: November 12, 2024, 02:30:23 PM »
Whoa ... hold on ... I really identified with a particular black/Indian woman who grew up in a middle class household which took a lot of pride in their lawn ...

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1106 on: November 12, 2024, 08:48:16 PM »
Grass I guess

https://x.com/WomanDefiner/status/1856351490752819211
Of course they're against grass - think back to the first Earth Day. In Washington, D.C., hundreds of thousands of left wing environmentalists descended on Washington and demonstrated their concern for the environment by utterly TRASHING the National Mall's lawn and leaving behind literally truckloads of garbage, litter, and filth for SOMEONE ELSE to clean up.
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1107 on: December 09, 2024, 12:32:37 PM »
Feel like I've already posted something along these lines but this site apparently doesn't like putting dates on anything

You know you're in for ride when the article opens up with this

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If you’re a person of color, you know what I’m talking about. You walk into a new coffee shop and your senses are overwhelmed with whiteness and you get the glare from the Karens. The white hipster barista lines herself up between you and the bathrooms, ready to tell you non-customers aren’t welcome.

If you have a white coffee drinking friend, he or she may have even let you in on the old coffee joke white coffee drinkers share when PoC aren’t around: “there are three things that are necessary in order to make a cup of coffee, and they are: first, a black man to roast the coffee; second, a yellow man to grind it; and third, a white man to drink it.”

Well, I’m here to validate your lived experience; coffee is in fact horribly racist, and there’s data to back it up.

Is coffee racist? How drinking coffee perpetuates white supremacy.
Created by Black people for Black people—and now a pillar of white supremacist capitalism. If you consume coffee, you are helping an industry built on racism.
https://afru.com/coffee-industry-racism-white-supremacy/
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1108 on: December 09, 2024, 12:37:23 PM »
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old coffee joke white coffee drinkers share when PoC aren’t around: “there are three things that are necessary in order to make a cup of coffee, and they are: first, a black man to roast the coffee; second, a yellow man to grind it; and third, a white man to drink it.”

What the actual *expletive deleted*ck?  I drink a LOT of coffee and have never heard that one.  I have no idea what racist ass places he/she/they (author was too chickenshit to sign that) hang out at, but they should try someplace more welcoming. Like a Black Rifle Coffee store.

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1109 on: December 09, 2024, 09:26:59 PM »
The way the joke is written you can tell the author has never actually talked to a human of any race.
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1110 on: December 09, 2024, 09:44:39 PM »
Of course they're against grass - think back to the first Earth Day. In Washington, D.C., hundreds of thousands of left wing environmentalists descended on Washington and demonstrated their concern for the environment by utterly TRASHING the National Mall's lawn and leaving behind literally truckloads of garbage, litter, and filth for SOMEONE ELSE to clean up.

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1111 on: December 09, 2024, 09:47:10 PM »
On a forum for authors I joined about a year ago, a new member just yesterday proclaimed that saying or writing, "Well, well, well" is a dogwhistle for racists.

I am confused.
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1112 on: December 09, 2024, 09:52:02 PM »
On a forum for authors I joined about a year ago, a new member just yesterday proclaimed that saying or writing, "Well, well, well" is a dogwhistle for racists.

I am confused.

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1113 on: December 09, 2024, 11:09:20 PM »
On a forum for authors I joined about a year ago, a new member just yesterday proclaimed that saying or writing, "Well, well, well" is a dogwhistle for racists.

I am confused.

Did they mention why?  Also, is three the magic number?  I don't say "well, well" often but want to know if I'm on thin ice.  Maybe ice is racist too.
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1114 on: December 10, 2024, 05:01:11 AM »
Did they mention why?

Not really. Typical circular logic -- it's racist because I saw someone say somewhere that it's racist, so when I see it I know it's racist.

Specifically, I posted, "It's news to me." The reply was, "Yeah, racist people online have been using when they see someone from a minority group does something stereotypical that confirms their bias towards that group."

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Also, is three the magic number?  I don't say "well, well" often but want to know if I'm on thin ice.  Maybe ice is racist too.

It was presented as a trio. No allegation that "Well, well" is racist -- but also no statement that it isn't.
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1115 on: December 10, 2024, 08:23:55 AM »
"Yeah, racist people online have been using when they see someone from a minority group does something stereotypical that confirms their bias towards that group."



That may be the first "dog whistle" I've seen that actually seems plausible. Of course, as with all "dog whistles," it depends on the hearer to interpret it in a racist way. The person reporting it might be the one bringing race into the conversation. Which would shock all of us, I'm sure...
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1116 on: December 10, 2024, 07:20:19 PM »
The death penalty is racist

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End Wokeness
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BREAKING: Democrats in Congress urge Biden to commute sentences for every convict on death row, citing racism
https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1866597739892707729

Had to find out what was going on here so did a google search

To Thwart Trump Killing Spree, Biden Urged to Commute Death Penalty Cases
https://www.commondreams.org/news/biden-federal-death-row-commutations

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"President Trump executed more people than the previous ten administrations combined. Of those he executed, over half were people of color: six Black men and one Native American. The only irreversible action you can take to prevent President-elect Trump from renewing his execution spree, as he has vowed to do, is commuting the death sentences of those on federal death row now," the letter states.

The letter cites additional reasons that Biden ought to commute the sentences, including that the death penalty "has been rooted in slavery, lynchings, and white vigilantism."

Leaving aside the "rooted in slavery" thing for now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the death penalty pretty much a state thing?
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1117 on: December 10, 2024, 08:21:04 PM »
The Feds do it, but very rarely.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_by_the_United_States_federal_government

Wikipedia tells me there were 40 people on death row for the feds as of May 2024.

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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1118 on: December 10, 2024, 08:27:14 PM »
Not really. Typical circular logic -- it's racist because I saw someone say somewhere that it's racist, so when I see it I know it's racist.

Specifically, I posted, "It's news to me." The reply was, "Yeah, racist people online have been using when they see someone from a minority group does something stereotypical that confirms their bias towards that group."

It was presented as a trio. No allegation that "Well, well" is racist -- but also no statement that it isn't.
The proper response to that is "Well, Well, Well."   Since the person is doing something stereotypical.  That being labeling a random something as racist that they happen to see a white person doing/saying.  It just confirms their bias if not their inferiority complex. 
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1119 on: December 10, 2024, 08:35:28 PM »
Grass I guess

https://x.com/WomanDefiner/status/1856351490752819211
I missed this one the last time around.  However, it does sound like the same old commie logic. 
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1120 on: December 10, 2024, 10:25:54 PM »
Meanwhile

https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1866618634510143639



Needs to be given the boot next election
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1121 on: December 10, 2024, 11:04:48 PM »
Meanwhile

https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1866618634510143639



Needs to be given the boot next election
If white people are required to back down, doesn't that prove the opposite of what he wants?
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1122 on: December 11, 2024, 12:00:09 AM »
Meanwhile

https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1866618634510143639



Needs to be given the boot next election

He was already primaried out. A white man took his job.
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1123 on: December 11, 2024, 10:30:37 AM »
He was already primaried out. A white man took his job.

Oh yeah, I remember him squawking about that now
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Re: Guess what's racist/white supremacy now
« Reply #1124 on: December 11, 2024, 11:33:40 AM »
More detached from reality statements from Bowman who then gets fact checked

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1866692614013194558
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