Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident

[230RN]

The "classic" answer to that is, "Sure, how many do you need?"

[bedlamite]

The "classic" answer to that is, "Sure, how many do you need?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbJr4RSSAY

[230RN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbJr4RSSAY

Right on point, with an additional zinger for the left coast.

[Angel Eyes]

[Angel Eyes]

[WLJ]

[WLJ]

[Angel Eyes]

https://www.guide4moms.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Prop-Gun-Alec-Baldwin-Memes-0.jpg

I'm pretty sure the chances of surviving COVID are higher.

[WLJ]

Now they're talking about Alec maybe developing PTSD. I could see that happening.

Hilaria Baldwin fears Alec will develop PTSD after tragic shooting of Halyna Hutchins
https://nypost.com/2021/10/30/hilaria-baldwin-fears-alec-will-develop-ptsd-after-halyna-hutchins-shooting/

[sumpnz]

Now they're talking about Alec maybe developing PTSD. I could see that happening.

Hilaria Baldwin fears Alec will develop PTSD after tragic shooting of Halyna Hutchins
https://nypost.com/2021/10/30/hilaria-baldwin-fears-alec-will-develop-ptsd-after-halyna-hutchins-shooting/

If he wasn’t such an awful person whose stated goal is the enslavement of anyone to the right of Mao I might be able to muster some sympathy.  For him though, IDGAF.

[MechAg94]

Now they're talking about Alec maybe developing PTSD. I could see that happening.

Hilaria Baldwin fears Alec will develop PTSD after tragic shooting of Halyna Hutchins
https://nypost.com/2021/10/30/hilaria-baldwin-fears-alec-will-develop-ptsd-after-halyna-hutchins-shooting/

Just adds to the preexisting shock of finding out she was not Spanish.   

[Boomhauer]

Now they're talking about Alec maybe developing PTSD. I could see that happening.

Hilaria Baldwin fears Alec will develop PTSD after tragic shooting of Halyna Hutchins
https://nypost.com/2021/10/30/hilaria-baldwin-fears-alec-will-develop-ptsd-after-halyna-hutchins-shooting/

Of course he is. Anything and everything to make him the true victim in this incident. Just normal Hollywood celebrity procedure.

[230RN]

Boomhauer has this in his signature line:

"
Quote from: Ben
'Holy hell. It's like giving a loaded gun to a chimpanzee...'
"

How apt to this thread.

Just letting you know in case you have the Signature line function turned off.

Terry, 230RN

[RocketMan]

Of course he is. Anything and everything to make him the true victim in this incident. Just normal Hollywood celebrity procedure.

This.  So much this.

[Angel Eyes]

Hilaria Baldwin fears Alec will develop PTSD after tragic shooting of Halyna Hutchins

Was anyone else reminded of this guy?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

[Perd Hapley]

Was anyone else reminded of this guy?
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

What's the comparison?

[Angel Eyes]

What's the comparison?

The claims of PTSD.

[RocketMan]

The armorer on "Rust" film is finally speaking out in her defense through her lawyers.  She is claiming her requests to improve safety on the set were overruled by producers and her bosses.
https://www.oann.com/armorer-on-rust-film-set-says-producers-overruled-her-safety-requests/

[230RN]

The armorer on "Rust" film is finally speaking out in her defense through her lawyers.  She is claiming her requests to improve safety on the set were overruled by producers and her bosses.
https://www.oann.com/armorer-on-rust-film-set-says-producers-overruled-her-safety-requests/

I trust she has at least some of this in writing.  There's nothing like keeping a "Pearl Harbor File."  Or having witnesses to the objections.

I still, personally, lay 99 point four more nines percent of the blame on the party who cocked the gun, allowed it to be pointed at a person, and pulled the trigger.

I suspect that ammunition can actually tiptoe around, hiding in small dark places, until it finds a suitable chamber to slip into and rest until awakened.

And I've often said you never point a gun anywhere you can't fix the hole.

Terry, 230RN

[ConstitutionCowboy]

...

And I've often said you never point a gun anywhere you can't fix the hole.

Terry, 230RN

Priceless.

Woody

[BobR]

Everything else has been beaten to death by now so my mind just naturally wanders. I have been trying to figure out the positioning of the  people and how the bullet managed a thoracic pass through and then struck the next person in the shoulder high enough to hit the clavicle (?) or at least end up in the shoulder. I guess AB could have been on the ground but that doesn't make sense. She could also be much taller than the dwarf (?) they hired as director.

So now we can have more discussion. :)

Maybe we will get a diagram someday.


bob

[just Warren]

Some cameras have seats that position the operator so that as the camera raises or lowers depending on the needs for the filming of the scene the operator moves with the camera instead of standing on the ground and manipulating it from there. Thus they are often elevated relative to the actors. And they have footrests or some place to stand.

So if Baldwin was standing normally on the ground and the the decedent was in the seat and the other victim was behind her standing on the footrest looking over her shoulder at the shot composition through the lens of the camera they would have been at an upward angle to Baldwin's position. And their bodies would have been close together, maybe even touching chest-to-back, directly in line with each other thus increasing the chance of a pass-through.

[just Warren]

As to how the trigger was pulled, we know from his history that Baldwin is not a careful person.

He has showed a lack of discipline and forethought in his life numerous times.

We also know that his past includes heavy alcohol and drug use and while he might have been sober at the time of the shooting it's possible that his use long-term use of drugs and alcohol lessened his motor control or caused spasms. 

It is easy to imagine that he was having a conversation with the victims and, as people do, he was gesticulating to emphasize points he was making. Unfortunately he was holding a gun that was able to launch something, somehow out of the muzzle.

So as he is waving his hands about, and maybe even using the gun to point directly at the victims, he carelessly put his finger on the trigger and his lack of motor control or a spasm caused him to pull the trigger.

This seems more plausible to me than him deliberately pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger on purpose.

He's still responsible, of course.  Both as the person who did the shooting and as a producer.




 

[zxcvbob]

Everything else has been beaten to death by now so my mind just naturally wanders. I have been trying to figure out the positioning of the  people and how the bullet managed a thoracic pass through and then struck the next person in the shoulder high enough to hit the clavicle (?) or at least end up in the shoulder. I guess AB could have been on the ground but that doesn't make sense. She could also be much taller than the dwarf (?) they hired as director.

So now we can have more discussion. :)

Maybe we will get a diagram someday.

bob

Might have been a hip shot.  Also she might have been standing on a platform.

How far away was the second victim?  .45 Colt is a big heavy bullet with a lot of momentum. Shooting through a girl wouldn't slow it down much unless it hit something like a femur, and even that might not stop it.

I wonder if it ever occurs to anyone in Hollywood to film shots like that using an angled mirror?  (someone mentioned that in this thread earlier and I thought it was brilliant)

[RocketMan]

I wonder if it ever occurs to anyone in Hollywood to film shots like that using an angled mirror?  (someone mentioned that in this thread earlier and I thought it was brilliant)

A special double mirror arrangement would have to be used in order to not reverse the image.