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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Incident
« Reply #525 on: January 20, 2023, 11:13:13 PM »
The opinion pieces in the news today are falling all over themselves excusing Baldwin.  Nobody seems to give a *expletive deleted*it about the overworked armorer/propmaster (those are separate jobs and she was covering both)   :mad:  I suspect she's the only one who will really be punished.

Not just the opinion pieces in the news. This case is being discussed on gun forums, and I am extremely disappointed to see that there are actually purportedly pro-gun pro-2A people defending Baldwin.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #526 on: January 21, 2023, 07:25:11 AM »
Not just the opinion pieces in the news. This case is being discussed on gun forums, and I am extremely disappointed to see that there are actually purportedly pro-gun pro-2A people defending Baldwin.

It’s amazing to see the handwavium of people who get pissed off about pointing a blue gun at somebody totally excuse pointing a real gun at somebody and basically horse playing with it.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #527 on: January 21, 2023, 09:01:45 AM »
Baldwin isn't solely responsible, but aside from being the triggerman, he was also the film's producer, so having a safe set IS his responsibility. 

He failed, and - in today's vernacular - he has to be held accountable. And that means he should face criminal as well as civil charges in court.

IMHO the person who brought live ammo onto a movie set with real guns bears most of the responsibility.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #528 on: January 21, 2023, 05:14:23 PM »
I think I heard someone say Balwin had live ammo on his person, but I haven't seen myself.  Anyone else heard something like that?
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #529 on: January 21, 2023, 06:21:57 PM »
I think I heard someone say Balwin had live ammo on his person, but I haven't seen myself.  Anyone else heard something like that?

I haven't heard that before. Baldwin hates guns (but not enough to eschew using them to make money from taking roles that use guns). I can't imagine any reason why he would have had live ammo in his pocket.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #530 on: January 21, 2023, 06:35:50 PM »
I haven't heard that before. Baldwin hates guns (but not enough to eschew using them to make money from taking roles that use guns). I can't imagine any reason why he would have had live ammo in his pocket.
Thanks.  They may have been referring to someone else, but I will discount it.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #531 on: January 21, 2023, 07:32:41 PM »
I think I heard someone say Balwin had live ammo on his person, but I haven't seen myself.  Anyone else heard something like that?

The prosecutor's press release said that one of the extra live rounds that were found on set was found in the loops on Baldwin's pistol belt.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #532 on: January 21, 2023, 08:05:58 PM »
The prosecutor's press release said that one of the extra live rounds that were found on set was found in the loops on Baldwin's pistol belt.

If true, that's pretty bad.  Having dummies and live rounds randomly mixed up on the set is just like Russian Roulette, except the victims don't know they are playing.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #533 on: January 21, 2023, 09:02:12 PM »
I saw that on a TimCastIRL clip so I can't easily link it, but it said the sheriff found five more live rounds. One in Baldwin's belt, one in a bandoleer worn by Jenson Ackles,  one in a box of otherwise dummy rounds, and two loose on a prop cart.

So yeah, Russian roulette is a good description.

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #534 on: January 21, 2023, 09:04:03 PM »
5 out of 6 people say Russian Roulette is perfectly safe.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #535 on: January 21, 2023, 09:07:37 PM »

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #536 on: January 22, 2023, 04:23:27 PM »
I saw that on a TimCastIRL clip so I can't easily link it, but it said the sheriff found five more live rounds. One in Baldwin's belt, one in a bandoleer worn by Jenson Ackles,  one in a box of otherwise dummy rounds, and two loose on a prop cart.

So yeah, Russian roulette is a good description.

Hollywood ( imagine the worst expletives ever ) do not know the difference between a blank and a live round plus
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #537 on: January 22, 2023, 11:08:14 PM »
I would just like everyone to know that I stand behind Alec Baldwin. 
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(certainly not in front of him)   =)
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #538 on: February 05, 2023, 07:45:40 PM »
New info suggests Baldwin lacked proper training, and didn't care enough to learn. Also, he allegedly already told police he "fired" the gun.

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2023/02/02/nolte-prosecutors-say-alec-baldwin-skipped-gun-safety-training/
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #540 on: February 05, 2023, 11:06:42 PM »
And a link to an article about the charges:

https://deadline.com/2023/02/alec-baldwin-fatal-shooting-rust-trial-witness-list-analysis-1235239588/

Hannah Gutierrez-Reed has been charged, but reading the details in this article it appears that as armorer she was working with one arm tied behind her back, being limited to 8 "armorer days" for a movie with lots of guns and lots of shooting.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #541 on: February 06, 2023, 01:39:18 PM »
Just guessing, but I don't think Baldwin has done many westerns. Or if he has, it was decades ago. A Peacemaker-style gun would not be easiest thing for him to check for live ammo.

IOW, he should not have skipped the training.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #542 on: February 07, 2023, 03:48:50 PM »
Alex Baldwin being Alex Baldwin


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Alec Baldwin has demanded the special prosecutor assigned to his involuntary manslaughter case be disqualified due to her status as a Republican lawmaker.

Baldwin, who faces up to five years in jail if convicted in the highly publicized trial, said the appointment of Andrea Reeb was 'unconstitutional' as she serves in the New Mexico House of Representatives. 

A motion to the court filed on behalf of the Hollywood star - a Democrat and vocal Donald Trump critic - says she 'must' be taken off the case.

Desperate Alec Baldwin asks court to DISQUALIFY special prosecutor assigned to his involuntary manslaughter case because her position as a Republican lawmaker makes appointment 'unconstitutional'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11724043/Alec-Baldwin-asks-court-DISQUALIFY-special.html
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #543 on: February 07, 2023, 03:51:22 PM »
Alex Baldwin being Alex Baldwin


Desperate Alec Baldwin asks court to DISQUALIFY special prosecutor assigned to his involuntary manslaughter case because her position as a Republican lawmaker makes appointment 'unconstitutional'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11724043/Alec-Baldwin-asks-court-DISQUALIFY-special.html

Maybe we should encourage this to set a precedent. It seems I read about way more bias issues with liberal prosecutors and judges than those who are conservative.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #544 on: February 07, 2023, 04:02:51 PM »
Maybe we should encourage this to set a precedent. It seems I read about way more bias issues with liberal prosecutors and judges than those who are conservative.

It’s cute that you think it would result in conservatives being able to replace partisan democrats when it’s their ass on the line.

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« Reply #545 on: February 07, 2023, 04:17:19 PM »
It’s cute that you think it would result in conservatives being able to replace partisan democrats when it’s their ass on the line.

I was more joking around than anything else, but I certainly like backfirey kinda stuff like the Reid Rule precedent.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #546 on: February 20, 2023, 05:46:28 PM »
Some charges dropped

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Prosecutors have dropped a key charge against Alec Baldwin which would have seen him jailed for five years after shooting dead 'Rust' cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

The Santa Fe County District Attorney's office has dropped a gun enhancement charge against the actor - meaning that even if he is convicted of the involuntary manslaughter charge, he may not spend any time behind bars.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11772781/Santa-Fe-prosecutors-DROP-key-gun-enhancement-charge-against-Alec-Baldwin-Rust-shooting.html
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #547 on: February 20, 2023, 07:12:21 PM »
Some charges dropped
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11772781/Santa-Fe-prosecutors-DROP-key-gun-enhancement-charge-against-Alec-Baldwin-Rust-shooting.html

I sort of agree with that almost kind of.
While I think he is a major dumbass and certainly guilty of negligent homicide I don't think he intended to kill anyone. I was thinking the gun enhancement charges were for intentional use of a gun in a crime (armed robbery and such) and really shouldn't apply here.
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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #548 on: April 20, 2023, 04:27:43 PM »
And he will not face criminal charges.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-fatal-rust-shooting-dropped-lawyers


So anyone who didn't see this coming down the pike please raise your hands............... anyone?????

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Re: Alec Baldwin Firearm Accident
« Reply #549 on: April 20, 2023, 04:34:15 PM »
And he will not face criminal charges.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-fatal-rust-shooting-dropped-lawyers


So anyone who didn't see this coming down the pike please raise your hands............... anyone?????

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I think TPTB kicked that can far enough down the road that most people have forgotten about Baldwin being a murderer.  That was probably by design.
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