Author Topic: Patriot Front Marching in DC  (Read 9043 times)

Ben

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 45,988
  • I'm an Extremist!
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #75 on: July 05, 2022, 12:07:07 PM »
It wasn't a pipe bomb,

I didn't see that in the linked story. Did I miss it there? I would argue that something rigged to look like an illegal explosive is different than a perfectly legal pyrotechnic that as far as we know, was not rigged to look like something it was not. There could still be reason to investigate someone with the legal pyrotechnic, but not simply for having it, IMO. Nor, again, with the cops trying to make something appear dangerous and illegal, as  with "flammable rags". He could have had a few bandanas in his ruck. Those are flammable.
"I'm a foolish old man that has been drawn into a wild goose chase by a harpy in trousers and a nincompoop."

Ben

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 45,988
  • I'm an Extremist!
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #76 on: July 05, 2022, 12:14:28 PM »
Should we wait for pyro to fly?   

To be devil's advocate, yes. In the same way you wouldn't arrest someone legally open carrying an AR and wearing a Gadsden t-shirt in front of a state capitol because they might shoot someone.

I don't think any of us in this debate are on extreme ends of a pendulum, though it might sound like it. I think we each are emphasizing the parts of this debate we deem important even though it makes the one side sound a little police-statey and the other side a little domestic terrorist symapthizerey, even though we are all none of those things.  =)
"I'm a foolish old man that has been drawn into a wild goose chase by a harpy in trousers and a nincompoop."

RocketMan

  • Mad Rocket Scientist
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,619
  • Semper Fidelis
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #77 on: July 05, 2022, 12:18:08 PM »
It wasn't a pipe bomb, The Pinellas County sheriff was just better at phrasing things to sound like they were being reasonable.  All charges were dropped when it was pointed out that his explosives were completely legal smoke devices.

And yet, it is entirely plausible that he was indeed there to throw that pyro at one of the J6 protesters, and very probably injure them, so the deputies scooping him up mid plan very likely did prevent violence at that rally.

I'm not trying to catch anyone out with this or accuse anyone of hypocrisy, there aren't necessarily easy right answers to "How do you handle violent racists".  At least on of the dudes arrested in Idaho has personally committed violence while affiliated with a different group. I recognize his name from AT circulars. would they have chucked smoke into the Pride Parade and smacked people with poles?  Individuals there have done it before.

I understand the 1A issues, which is why I've never said they shouldn't march and wave their gay little can opener flag.  I'm just unwilling to cut a group of people that give each other "Sieg Heil"s any slack once they look to be progressing towards confrontation.  Should we wait for pyro to fly?

Yes, because until the pyro flies, they are guilty of nothing more than a thought crime (using the leftist vernacular).  Do we really want to be arresting people for thought crimes?
If there really was intelligent life on other planets, we'd be sending them foreign aid.

Conservatives see George Orwell's "1984" as a cautionary tale.  Progressives view it as a "how to" manual.

My wife often says to me, "You are evil and must be destroyed." She may be right.

Liberals believe one should never let reason, logic and facts get in the way of a good emotional argument.

dogmush

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,859
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2022, 12:35:36 PM »
There's a whole list of crimes that are "conspiracy to......"

History of violence, multiple statements that they are willing to commit violence, with the gear to commit that violence, on their way to a place to commit violence, with notes indicating a plan to commit violence......I don't see that as a 1A violation to stop that group and arrest them. Whichever colors they drape themselves in. YMMV


Ben, I just grabbed the first article on that event I googled.  That was local to me so I know how it ended.  Let me see if I can find one of the "couple days later" articles.

cordex

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,622
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2022, 01:26:19 PM »
History of violence, multiple statements that they are willing to commit violence, with the gear to commit that violence, on their way to a place to commit violence, with notes indicating a plan to commit violence......I don't see that as a 1A violation to stop that group and arrest them. Whichever colors they drape themselves in. YMMV
Dude, you're overselling this more than the "pipe explosive" Sheriff did.  Anyone willing to bend the truth that much could hem you up in a heartbeat.

dogmush

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 13,859
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #80 on: July 05, 2022, 01:38:13 PM »

Ben

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 45,988
  • I'm an Extremist!
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #81 on: July 05, 2022, 06:45:36 PM »
"I'm a foolish old man that has been drawn into a wild goose chase by a harpy in trousers and a nincompoop."

HankB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 16,629
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #82 on: July 06, 2022, 01:49:21 PM »
The more the media reports on groups like Patriot Front, Proud Boys, Qanon, etc., the less I feel I know . . . which ain't much.  ;/
Trump won in 2016. Democrats haven't been so offended since Republicans came along and freed their slaves.
Sometimes I wonder if the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it. - Mark Twain
Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

WLJ

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 28,247
  • On Patrol In The Epsilon Eridani System
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2022, 02:06:10 PM »
They're not angel perfect and probably aholes but I want to know

How many people have they assaulted?
How many police have they beat and put in the hospital?
How many buildings have they burnt down?
How many streets and highways have they blocked?
How many drivers have they pull pull out of cars and beat?
How many cars have they torched?
How many city blocks have they blocked off and declared a sovereign state?
How many stores have they looted and burned?
How many times have they threaten to burn it all down?
How much money have they extorted from cities and businesses?
How many mansions have they bought with that money?
How many members of congress have knelt before them?
Are they just an idea?
« Last Edit: July 06, 2022, 02:22:04 PM by WLJ »
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".
- Calvin and Hobbes

WLJ

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 28,247
  • On Patrol In The Epsilon Eridani System
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2022, 09:02:58 PM »
More and more convinced these guys are fake
I mean if this isn't over the top nothing is

https://twitter.com/telltaleatheist/status/1563186437289553920

Leaked Patriot Front video shows the members training for war
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2022/08/30/leaked-patriot-front-video-shows-the-members-training-for-war/
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".
- Calvin and Hobbes

MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,734
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2022, 10:49:19 PM »
Looks like training to oppose other protestors.  A full blown riot would be worse than that I would think. 

Quote
all the shin/knee guards match perfectly (and are impeccably clean) This is a well financed op, not a bunch of guys buying their own stuff and even painting it to match colors (which would still show different models and imprecise paint jobs) the FBI can't even fake well

Quote
I think I see Ray Epps
:rofl:
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

Angel Eyes

  • Lying dog-faced pony soldier
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,300
  • You're not diggin'
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2022, 11:16:11 PM »
Training for war?  Against the Carthaginians maybe ...




ETA: someone needs to bring a catapult and a cow.
"End of quote.  Repeat the line."
  - Joe 'Ron Burgundy' Biden

Ron

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 10,881
  • Like a tree planted by the rivers of water
    • What I believe ...
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #87 on: August 31, 2022, 08:53:09 AM »
IMHO all of these white nationalist groups have one purpose. To further fracture the white percentage of the population politically.

Let's make standing up for the nations actual posterity a hateful thing. Let's focus on the "hate" white people demonstrate, not on the first world civilization building gifts they have brought the world. Let's redefine white hate as any time white people stand up for their historic culture(s).

Focusing on the shortcomings of the white tribe(s) keeps your eyes off the looting of the country by the other tribes of the world, the tribes white people have invited to their country. 

The time for the homogenous people of America to stand up for their country has long past us. We live in the GAE and as white folks we better get used to being treated poorly. The Chinese, the Jews, the Sub Con Indians have and are all carving out their piece of the pie along with American blacks and Mexican descent citizens. States made up of many nations are empires. Empires are not homogenous and eventually fracture. E pluribus unum is a lie in the long run, particularly when you add so many players. Turns out states of many tribes are empires, and empires have different goals and purposes than nations.     

Someone or someone(s) played the long game on the nation and used our purported strengths and moral notions to destroy the nation. Time to readjust your expectations and find your place, make your peace in the multicultural failing empire. Sucks, but once you see it you cannot unsee it, that's the difference between delusion and reality.
For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse. Because knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, and didn’t give thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,395
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #88 on: August 31, 2022, 11:42:50 AM »
Ron, you're behind the times. White folk don't have to actually do anything to be hateful anymore. We're just born that way. Didn't they tell you?
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,734
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #89 on: August 31, 2022, 12:49:35 PM »
If nothing else, it does seem to further division which I imagine is a goal of some people.
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,395
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #90 on: August 31, 2022, 01:27:32 PM »
Does anyone know if my prior service and/or college credits would make me eligible to start at a higher rank in the PF?
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,734
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #91 on: August 31, 2022, 04:28:31 PM »
Does anyone know if my prior service and/or college credits would make me eligible to start at a higher rank in the PF?
Do you fit the "young and physically fit" profile of those guys?  (I don't)  Doesn't look like a bunch of middle aged gun club guys. 
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,395
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #92 on: August 31, 2022, 04:55:32 PM »
Do you fit the "young and physically fit" profile of those guys?  (I don't)  Doesn't look like a bunch of middle aged gun club guys.

I'm sure the recruiter will work with me, to help me pass the physical.

Anyone know if Patriot Front are eligible for the GI Bill? And can I retire early after 15 years, or would I have to do 20?
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

WLJ

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 28,247
  • On Patrol In The Epsilon Eridani System
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #93 on: May 14, 2023, 11:43:01 AM »
They're baaaack

Quote
    🚨#UPDATE: Around 150-200 individuals affiliated with the Patriot Front group are now putting their shields and flags into white U-Haul vans after they Marched around Washington DC for about an hour. they are now making their way back into the metro pic.twitter.com/DiITwSHMbQ

    — R A W S A L E R T S (@rawsalerts) May 13, 2023

 Patriot Front marches around DC before piling back into U-Hauls
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/05/13/patriot-front-marches-around-dc-before-piling-back-into-u-hauls/

Seems like they come out once in awhile, prance around media cameras for a bit and leave.

But wait, there's more.

Quote
    Joe Rogan and Matt Taibbi making fun of the absolutely absurd "Patriot Front" awhile back still cracks me up to this day…

    "This is so stupid it hurts my feelings"

    "WHERE'S THE FAT PEOPLE!?" pic.twitter.com/F82RJAKYhB

    — Gain of Fauci (@DschlopesIsBack) May 14, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/05/14/joe-rogan-blasts-obviously-staged-patriot-front-as-only-he-can-and-its-simply-perfection-watch/
« Last Edit: May 14, 2023, 12:06:38 PM by WLJ »
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".
- Calvin and Hobbes

bedlamite

  • Hold my beer and watch this!
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 9,789
  • Ack! PLBTTPHBT!
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #94 on: May 14, 2023, 10:12:18 PM »
Probably been posted already


A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.
Is defenestration possible through the overton window?

French G.

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 10,190
  • ohhh sparkles!
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2023, 12:10:06 AM »
Two days after the Oval Office potter plant declared white supremacists to be threat #1 in the country. And a crack baby to keep out of the news.
AKA Navy Joe   

I'm so contrarian that I didn't respond to the thread.

Pb

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,900
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #96 on: May 15, 2023, 10:45:14 AM »
IMHO all of these white nationalist groups have one purpose. To further fracture the white percentage of the population politically.


Can you please explain, Ron?

WLJ

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 28,247
  • On Patrol In The Epsilon Eridani System
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #97 on: May 29, 2023, 10:41:16 AM »
And it keeps getting more bizarre

Quote
A member of a white nationalist group Patriot Front is facing up to 30 years behind bars after pleading guilty to child porn charges.

Utah native Jared M. Boyce, 28, was one of 31 members of the extremist group arrested last year after they were found in the rear of a U-Haul van, planning to disrupt and intimidate an LGBTQ pride event in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.

A month after his arrest, the FBI searched Boyce’s phone and found images of children performing sex acts, according to court documents obtained by Fox13.

Boyce admitted to possessing the images and to sending a photo of his genitals to a 16-year-old girl, according to the court documents.


Yep, sounds like someone who works for the government. (That's only partly sarcasm)

 Patriot Front member facing 30 years for child porn charges
https://nypost.com/2023/05/27/patriot-front-member-facing-30-years-for-child-porn-charges/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".
- Calvin and Hobbes

RoadKingLarry

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 21,841
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #98 on: May 29, 2023, 02:25:05 PM »
I certainly DO NOT condone or tolerate kiddie p0rn producers or consumers I am sometimes a little skeptical when the government "discovers" child p0rn on a device belonging to an enemy of the "current administration".
Most of those that are guilty of child p0rn charges just need to be duly tried, properly convicted and then taken out back and shot.

The skeptical issue comes up when you realize just how damaging just an accusation of child p0rn can be against someone. Nobody, not friends or even family will be willing to stand up for the accused. It will totally destroy their support base.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

Samuel Adams

JTHunter

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1,932
Re: Patriot Front Marching in DC
« Reply #99 on: May 29, 2023, 07:19:03 PM »
The "government" seems to be very lucky in the ways they "find" things.
Why can't they find the info on Hunter's laptop?  How about "Hitlery's" emails?
And let's not forget the Durham report and what it is showing the country about how certain "alphabet agencies" have become so biased and "weaponized".
  [popcorn]  :facepalm:  [barf]
“I have little patience with people who take the Bill of Rights for granted.  The Bill of Rights, contained in the first ten amendments to the Constitution, is every American’s guarantee of freedom.” - - President Harry S. Truman, “Years of Trial and Hope”