War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....

[Ron]

Every time we start ramping up the war machine I think to myself, "what new weapon system are they going to let become public this time?".

Looking at the Ukraine thing it does sort of put an exclamation point on there being no replacement for boots on the ground.

[HankB]

We were dropping vietnam era bombs in the persian puddle so yes that is possible. I should have bought raytheon stock.

Still pretty happy to see Russia getting its teeth kicked.

And in Vietnam we were dropping WWII era bombs we originally gave to England and bought back from the limeys for use in SE Asia - someone made money on the deal.

And like you, I enjoy reading about Russian casualties . . . even if (as I strongly suspect) the numbers are exaggerated.

[WLJ]

The only casualties I will enjoy reading about are the ones that started this *expletive deleted*it show and the ones committing and/or ordering war crimes.
99.9% of the Russians currently on the casualty list would rather have been home in bed with their wife/GFs

[Pb]

Maybe they should stop raping and murdering and go home to the wives then.  Any in Ukraine are fair game.

[WLJ]

Maybe they should stop raping and murdering and go home to the wives then.  Any in Ukraine are fair game.

and the ones committing and/or ordering war crimes.

[Pb]

and the ones committing and/or ordering war crimes.

Yes!

[WLJ]

HARMs reportedly being used on Ukrainian Mig-29s

US Missiles Used on Ukrainian MiGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqY9CDsOpvk

[Ben]

$12 billion more going to Ukraine. I also saw that on Tuesday, Zelensky virtually rang the opening bell at the stock exchange to promote US business investment in Ukraine.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-accuses-biden-requesting-new-round-ukraine-aid-benefit-democrats-ahead-midterms

[Angel Eyes]

Gazprom television commercial . . . likely to annoy the Europeans facing oil and gas shortages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2b_0gfV_4E

[sumpnz]

According to a recent Zeihan video the Russians are buying drones from Iran and artillery shells from the Norks.  Neither bodes well for their war fighting capacity.  And if they are getting shells from North Korea that will be fascinating intel on their state of military readiness.  Given they haven’t used meaningful amounts of artillery shells since 1953.

https://youtu.be/f9mNzi2JFkI

[Lennyjoe]

Looks like the Russians are getting a beating…..or this is a good propaganda video by Ukraine.  Seems like it’s relatively new based on the areas they are showing.  Lots of armor left behind as well.

On a side note, at 18:48 (I believe) one Ukraine soldier almost became a casualty.  It’s a sound you never forget the first time it happens to you.

https://fb.watch/fvtQ-UDVel/

[Blakenzy]

There is an enormous amount of propaganda and disinformation surrounding this war. It's hard to tell exactly what is and what is not.

[Ron]

There is an enormous amount of propaganda and disinformation surrounding this war. It's hard to tell exactly what is and what is not.

Chances are if we are hearing something, it is one side or the others disinformation.

Russia and the west exhausting themselves in a conflict that keeps grinding on helps China.

[MechAg94]

Chances are if we are hearing something, it is one side or the others disinformation.

Russia and the west exhausting themselves in a conflict that keeps grinding on helps China.

As far as the US, I keep hearing about us shipping weapons to Ukraine, I haven't heard a lot of about the US ordering replacements to restock.  I saw a comment from someone who should know (Mrgunsngear I think) that said military active duty they know had heavy weapons taken away from their unit to ship to the Ukraine. 

I am also really curious how much the current military suppliers are using US made parts and raw materials. 

[Lennyjoe]

As far as the US, I keep hearing about us shipping weapons to Ukraine, I haven't heard a lot of about the US ordering replacements to restock.  I saw a comment from someone who should know (Mrgunsngear I think) that said military active duty they know had heavy weapons taken away from their unit to ship to the Ukraine. 

I am also really curious how much the current military suppliers are using US made parts and raw materials.

This scares the sh*t out of me.  I’m in Air Force acquisitions so we really haven’t been affected but I’m wondering what the Army’s doing to replenish.  My assumption, this administration isn’t worried about it…

[dogmush]

We're buying more, but it isn't instantaneous. I know of some Cali Marines units that have had their M777 howitzers shipped to Ukraine, and I have seen credible reports that some USSOC units got their Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles taken for Ukraine. No idea where the Ammo and HIMARs came from,  we should still have the Prepo Stocks available if needed,

[Blakenzy]

To be honest, Ukraine's army IS America's (and associated client states') auxiliary-proxy army. So concerns about taking equipment from non-deployed units and sending them to the front line is unfounded. Different flags on shoulders doesn't mean much to global central planners. War is sheer lies and dishonesty, no one dares admit the obvious, that the cold war just went hot, and yeah that means WW3 if you haven't been paying attention... well it's not even war, it's a "special military operation" see?, that's the russian translation of "kinetic military action" in the parlance of the bush-flavored neocon... nothing to see here, move along

[dogmush]

I'm not saying you are neccessary wrong, but by that standard the Cold War went hot in 1965.

Going by historical outcomes the "send weapons and advisors" is the better side of the proxy war to be on.

[Lennyjoe]

There is an enormous amount of propaganda and disinformation surrounding this war. It's hard to tell exactly what is and what is not.

That there is.  At least some of the video is factual based on the WaPo article.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/09/13/russia-retreat-abandoned-weapons-izyum/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&fb_news_token=%2FzMY9WmPVBwevaw9IECD8Q%3D%3D.S%2B8cYni5pmjuuiOzMOHZ3yODgQKm6VOVEBb8cNBFSgZLiah4l7f7fYbSy%2FqrzPTQR7mbk8DV87la%2BkVkp9iq0XueFQhar7a1ZOdfjhGR1Ku%2FS6uQ%2Fvo8qQ2UZm9kMZ3sTgRD2Im1LRUh%2FkEld7nwu%2BTFk1ZP9%2BfXhY1U%2FNatCTvugZQwJtMYOCX5zPgmqwx2aMluJ3HQUVzKNXDHYk%2BUkAzbO%2FDlbEA4B1SU3FhkZLD%2BDfM%2B0BcC0Buc4g%2Bgq93GIPJRW6Z%2BAmJIaV6%2BJ7DgevCPHlT4ZF2Z2ryl42cxbfjBi6adg%2FyW9aFgcRMTu3RLuHSNt8e8ngiQKTtrYguSFQ%3D%3D

[HankB]

This scares the sh*t out of me.  I’m in Air Force acquisitions so we really haven’t been affected but I’m wondering what the Army’s doing to replenish.  My assumption, this administration isn’t worried about it…

With the rumbles coming out of China, ammo stocks are a concern. I've been reading reports for years that the Navy doesn't really have enough ammo available for replenishment during a real shooting war with a major opponent - word is, when ships are leaving port for deployment, they have to offload ammo from ships just entering port in order to have enough to fill the magazines of ships just going out. And sometimes, the magazines aren't even topped off.

And this is without Navy weapons being sent to Ukraine. The army & marines don't talk much about ordnance supplies . . . maybe for good reason.

Back to the Navy - the Zumwalt class destroyers never did have a full load available for their main guns - nearly a million bucks per shot was too expensive. The guns - essentially dead weight - are scheduled to be replaced with a new missile system in the next few years.

[Angel Eyes]

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1569370025018150913/

[MechAg94]

Army plans to ‘nearly triple’ production of artillery shells after US gives nearly 1 million to Ukraine
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/army-ramp-up-production-artillery-shells-rockets/?utm_term=Task%26Purpose_Today_09.15.22&utm_campaign=Task%20%26%20Purpose_TPToday_Actives_Dynamic&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email

“We are seeking over a couple of years to nearly triple our production of 155 [mm shells],” Bush said on Wednesday. Congress has been supportive; we have funding; we are executing and making that happen. We are also, through support from Congress, working to dramatically increase our production rate for GLMRS missiles – Guided MLRS [Multiple Launch Rocket System], HIMARS [High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems] launchers – in most cases doubling or more than doubling current production rates.”

[Ben]

Related, Germany has seized three Russian gas plants. I can't help but think the "energy wars" outside of the physical conflict are going to get ugly. Even seizing those plants, I'm not sure where the EU is going to get enough actual gas to process through them to handle the Euro population.

Despite my heritage, it's kinda nazi for Germany to seize the gas plants after their own "alternative energy" policies got them in their energy deficit mess. Very Venezuela of them.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/germany-seizes-control-russian-owned-oil-refineries-ahead-looming-eu-deadline

[Ron]

The western empire is globalist fascism.

[Brad Johnson]

Holy Turnarounds, Batman!!

Putin says he's going to stop the Ukraine invasion ASAP.

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/cm/putin-tells-modi-hell-stop-194411249.html

I knew India and China were pretty cozy with Putin but didn't think they had that much sway. Maybe getting three big oil refineries in Germany had something to do with it. I still think it's an internal thing and India is just an excuse to to "Save Face". Of course, that's predicated on him not just straight up lying to Prime Minister Modi's face. Still the very real possibility of Russian mobster types who wield more actual power and have told him they've had enough. Maybe even his top military brass is starting to revolt, too.

There's also the possibility that he's finally realized his military is getting their feces reinserted and he better call this thing off before Ukraine takes back ALL of it, including Crimea.

Brad