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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1975 on: November 25, 2022, 09:44:53 AM »
Holy Crap... According to an FSB source, Putin's first plan was to... attack Japan, not Ukraine.

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2835950189566/russia-planned-to-attack-japan-in-2021-leaked-fsb-letters?_f=app_share&s=a1&share_destination_id=OTk4MzEzMTEtMTY2OTM0MDMyOTk0Mg==&pd=06ksgROV&hl=en_US&send_time=1669340329&actBtn=fb&trans_data=%7B%22platform%22%3A1%2C%22cv%22%3A%2222.46.0%22%2C%22languages%22%3A%22en%22%7D

You want World War III? Because that's how you get World War III.

Although I have absolutely no doubt that the JSDF would have done an even more thorough job of crushing the Russian military.

I think someone has been drinking too much mushroom coffee.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1976 on: November 25, 2022, 05:19:42 PM »
Given how well Russia's logistics did driving through Belarus an eastern Ukraine, I kinda want to see them try and cross Siberia and the Sea of Japan.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1977 on: November 25, 2022, 05:27:55 PM »
I doubt the "invasion" would have lasted long enough to become WWIII.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1978 on: November 26, 2022, 12:15:38 PM »
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Belarus foreign minister dies suddenly at 64 - one day after meeting Pope's envoy amid speculation they were discussing secret peace plan to end Ukraine war
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11472289/Belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly-speculation-hed-discussing-secret-peace-plan.html
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1979 on: November 28, 2022, 07:22:00 AM »
Wow, this picture is just SO out of 1984 it's not even funny.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1980 on: December 02, 2022, 11:34:26 PM »
Back from the front: a British volunteer in Ukraine -- Lindybeige
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbD4WBqPg4
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1981 on: December 06, 2022, 11:12:40 AM »
We've Reached the TikTok Dance Stage of the War...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23j8jOwYwL4
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1982 on: December 13, 2022, 08:53:37 AM »
Reportedly Russia is using old "antique" An-2s converted to drones as SAM bait.

Russia's New Secret Weapon Against Ukraine? 75 Year Old Biplanes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7I3Illsuqg
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1983 on: December 13, 2022, 09:02:53 AM »
Reportedly Russia is using old "antique" An-2s converted to drones as SAM bait.

Russia's New Secret Weapon Against Ukraine? 75 Year Old Biplanes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7I3Illsuqg


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1984 on: December 13, 2022, 09:21:33 AM »
I'm trying to find a sharable video, but the Ukrainian Defense Ministry has a video of the Russians trying to unload a tank (or BMP) from a train. It looks like it partially slipped off, so they pull it the rest of the way off the car with a tow cable and... it flips upside down.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1985 on: December 13, 2022, 09:43:26 AM »
Reportedly Russia is using old "antique" An-2s converted to drones as SAM bait.

Russia's New Secret Weapon Against Ukraine? 75 Year Old Biplanes!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7I3Illsuqg
Using cheap drones to soak up SAM's, especially the bigger and more expensive missiles, would seem to be a decent strategy.  Most of those launchers have a limited capacity.  Especially if the cheap plans could mount missiles or bombs such that they couldn't be ignored. 
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1986 on: December 13, 2022, 09:47:53 AM »
Especially if the cheap plans could mount missiles or bombs such that they couldn't be ignored.

Pretty much what they're doing by packing them full of explosives meaning the Us can't ignore them and they soak up a missile(s) costing $$$$$ more.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1987 on: December 13, 2022, 11:49:47 AM »
A few countries still field gun based anti-air batteries.  Sounds like something that would still be useful as a way to counter such tactics. 
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1988 on: December 13, 2022, 12:42:39 PM »
I heard through the grapevine a bit ago that one of my former coworkers received a notification that he was being recalled for service... in the Russian Army.

He's been living in the United States since the mid 1990s, and I think he's a naturalized citizen.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1989 on: December 13, 2022, 02:13:57 PM »
A few countries still field gun based anti-air batteries.  Sounds like something that would still be useful as a way to counter such tactics.

Ukraine has both ZSU-23-4M Shilkas and ZPRK 2K22 Tunguskas fielded.  Both of those systems are more than capable of taking down an AN-2 with guns, as are Stingers which are pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1990 on: December 13, 2022, 03:26:32 PM »
A few countries still field gun based anti-air batteries.  Sounds like something that would still be useful as a way to counter such tactics.
I came across an article saying that Britain was sending Ukraine a bunch of old farm pickup trucks which Ukraine was fitting with things like .50 BMGs in the back. (Somali Technicals?) These were being used to shoot down drones, and the right hand drive was confusing Russian snipers who would shoot through the left side of the windshield as they tried to kill the driver. Supposedly these vehicles had accounted for a number of drones and even cruise missiles.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-russian-snipers-are-being-fooled-by-a-fleet-of-aging-farm-pickup-trucks-from-britain/ar-AA1596oi
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1991 on: December 13, 2022, 08:13:16 PM »
Ukraine received several Flakpanzer Gepard self-propelled AAA units as well. Those would be perfect for biplane drones. There are youtube  videos of them in use.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1992 on: December 17, 2022, 11:28:15 AM »
Ukrainian General saying Russia is gearing up for another go at Kyiv.
Not saying it's true but I could see Putin trying a Hail Mary in an attempt to end the war on his terms.

'I have no doubt Russia will have another go at Kyiv': Putin is building a 200,000-man army for a SECOND attack on Ukraine's capital that could start within WEEKS, country's top general warns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11542391/Russia-attack-Kyiv-Ukraines-general-warns.html
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1993 on: December 17, 2022, 01:41:13 PM »
Ukrainian General saying Russia is gearing up for another go at Kyiv.
Not saying it's true but I could see Putin trying a Hail Mary in an attempt to end the war on his terms.

'I have no doubt Russia will have another go at Kyiv': Putin is building a 200,000-man army for a SECOND attack on Ukraine's capital that could start within WEEKS, country's top general warns
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11542391/Russia-attack-Kyiv-Ukraines-general-warns.html

It wouldn't surprise me.

And they'll probably stage the attack from Belarus.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1994 on: December 18, 2022, 07:21:23 AM »
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/war-in-ukraine-has-decimated-a-once-feared-russian-brigade/

From the article:

Nuclear-armed submarines slip in and out of the frigid waters along the coast of Russia’s Kola Peninsula at the northern edge of Europe. Missiles capable of destroying cities are stored by the dozens in bunkers burrowed into the inland hills.

Since the Cold War, this Arctic arsenal has been protected by a combat unit considered one of Russia’s most formidable — the 200th Separate Motor Rifle Brigade — until it sent its best fighters and weapons to Ukraine this year and was effectively destroyed.

The 200th was among the first units to plunge into Ukraine on Feb. 24, as part of a fearsome assault on the city of Kharkiv. By May, the unit was staggering back across the Russian border desperate to regroup, according to internal brigade documents reviewed by The Washington Post and to previously undisclosed details provided by Ukrainian and Western military and intelligence officials.

A document detailing a mid-war inventory of its ranks shows that by late May, fewer than 900 soldiers were left in two battalion tactical groups that, according to Western officials, had departed the brigade’s garrison in Russia with more than 1,400. The brigade’s commander was badly wounded. And some of those still being counted as part of the unit were listed as hospitalized, missing or “refuseniks” unwilling to fight, according to the document, part of a trove of internal Russian military files obtained by Ukraine’s security services and provided to The Post.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1995 on: December 18, 2022, 07:42:35 AM »
according to the document, part of a trove of internal Russian military files obtained by Ukraine’s security services and provided to The Post.

Anytime I see the Ukraine gov as the source, I have to question the veracity of the information. Ever since the "Ghost of Kyiv", they have shown themselves to be masters of propaganda. They are probably better at it than even the US.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1996 on: December 18, 2022, 09:38:13 AM »
Anytime I see the Ukraine gov as the source, I have to question the veracity of the information. Ever since the "Ghost of Kyiv", they have shown themselves to be masters of propaganda. They are probably better at it than even the US.

They were part of the Soviet propaganda system and learned much in that time.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1997 on: December 18, 2022, 10:10:53 AM »
Nothing new

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1998 on: December 18, 2022, 10:12:11 AM »
I remember there was one showing German soldiers tossing babies onto their bayonet but I can't find it now.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #1999 on: December 18, 2022, 01:03:05 PM »
I remember there was one showing German soldiers tossing babies onto their bayonet but I can't find it now.

It was Japanese, and it was a photograph from Nanking.