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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2125 on: March 04, 2023, 08:18:23 AM »
That went over well

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Russia's foreign minister was ridiculed with groans and laughter from an audience at an international conference on Friday when he claimed Russia was a victim of the war in Ukraine.

The crowd at India's G20 Summit in New Delhi erupted in laughter when Sergei Lavrov tried to falsely suggest that the war in Ukraine 'was launched against us [Russia]'.

Lavrov appeared visibly taken aback by the ridicules from the audience as he stumbled over his words and paused for the interlude of chuckles before resuming the stony-faced propaganda.

"erupted in laughter" may be too strong of a term but he was taken aback by the response. Don't think he expected this from the Indians.

Putin's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov provokes gales of laughter as he tells audience the West started Ukraine war - as Russia nears victory in battle for besieged city Bakhmut
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11819605/Russian-foreign-minister-met-laughter-tells-audience-West-started-Ukraine-war.html
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2126 on: March 04, 2023, 11:09:50 AM »
"Sergei Lavrov"

He's got all of the charm of Vyacheslav Molotov but with absolutely none of the ability or intelligence.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2127 on: March 04, 2023, 08:02:07 PM »
Headline says destroyed, article says damaged

Don't recalling hearing anything about this group before this

Putin's £274million spy plane 'is destroyed in drone attack near Minsk by pro-Ukraine Belarus group'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11797397/Putin-274million-spy-plane-destroyed-drone-attack-near-Minsk-pro-Ukraine-Belarus-group.html

Attack may not have happened, or at least is being exaggerated:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_A-50#Operational_history

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On 26 February 2023, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, a Russian A-50 was reportedly damaged by explosions while stationary at the Machulishchy air base near Minsk, Belarus. Belarusian partisans have claimed to have attacked the plane using drone-dropped munitions. Russia is believed to have nine operational A-50s.[13] The attacked base also hosts MiG-31 fighters used to attack Ukraine.[14][15][16] However, satellite imagery of the Machulishchy air base from 28 February showed no significant damage to the sole A-50 located there.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2128 on: March 04, 2023, 08:21:33 PM »
Twitter had some FPV video of a drone flying over an airfield, landing on a Mainstay, and [supposedly]  blowing up.  It wouldn't take a bunch of damage to make it sketchy to fly.

As an aside, since when is an AWACS a "spy plane"?

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« Reply #2129 on: March 04, 2023, 08:26:03 PM »
Twitter had some FPV video of a drone flying over an airfield, landing on a Mainstay, and [supposedly]  blowing up.  It wouldn't take a bunch of damage to make it sketchy to fly.

The Daily Mail article claimed the plane was destroyed.  There is no evidence that it was.

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As an aside, since when is an AWACS a "spy plane"?

To the MSM, any plane that gathers intel is a "spy plane."
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2130 on: March 05, 2023, 07:17:23 AM »
The Daily Mail article claimed the plane was destroyed.  There is no evidence that it was.

As I noted above headline said destroyed, article body said damaged. Aggravatingly common for media fooling around with article headlines like that.

Twitter had some FPV video of a drone flying over an airfield, landing on a Mainstay, and [supposedly]  blowing up.  It wouldn't take a bunch of damage to make it sketchy to fly.


Appears there are at least two drone videos.

First is maybe a recon flight with no boom

Drone Lands on an A-50U at Machulishchy Air Base, Belarus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73yYm_Phwgw

Second maybe boom
Same as you saw?

 New Video Confirms Drone Attack on A-50 at Machulishchy Air Base in Belarus -- Hit SATCOM Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6Os4LMMlk

Guy in the video says the A-50U did leave the airfield afterwards so maybe still flyable though some of it's comm systems may have been damaged based on where the drone landed.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2131 on: March 05, 2023, 07:22:42 AM »

To the MSM, any plane that gathers intel is a "spy plane."

Any warship that is not a CV or a SS is a battleship
Any rifle with a scope is a sniper rifle.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2132 on: March 05, 2023, 08:27:35 AM »
WLJ, yeah that second video is the one I saw, although just the drone feed, not the added commentary. Nice to get some feedback from someone that knows more about the Mainstay.

That's also why I went with supposedly in my post.  Just cutting the video off with some VHS artifact static doesn't prove squat.

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« Reply #2133 on: March 05, 2023, 10:50:17 AM »
This may rate as a Mission Kill
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« Reply #2134 on: March 05, 2023, 11:07:21 AM »
I've seen videos where the Ukrainians have been outfitting drones with small shaped-charge grenades to drop on tanks and APCs. Even though they don't carry much explosive, I'd think a hit to an aircraft would do some damage if it hit the radar dish or some other vulnerable point.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2135 on: March 05, 2023, 11:22:29 AM »
I know that propaganda is huge with this war, but I also wonder if they aren't sharing too much of their TTPs.  The original video I saw of the attack showed the drone from take off to detonation.  I'm not sure I'd want Airfield security to see my launch points.  For that matter, I'm not sure I'd want them to see how long it took me to get the drone landed on the target aircraft.

One imagines the Belarus version of the NKVD is having a field day with this one.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2136 on: March 05, 2023, 03:51:36 PM »
. . .  I'm not sure I'd want Airfield security to see my launch points.  . . .
I certainly would if I were setting booby traps there.  >:D
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2137 on: March 07, 2023, 07:04:13 PM »
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2138 on: March 14, 2023, 11:21:09 AM »
It's the Sun so keep that in mind but something is definitely going on here

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Dozens of high profile figures have died since Putin launched his bloody war in Ukraine over a year ago - with many in odd circumstances, such as sudden "suicides" and falls from windows.

Sergey Grishin - the so-called "Scarface" oligarch who sold Meghan and Harry their California mansion - died this week from sepsis after criticising Putin.

And meanwhile Russian scientist Andrey Botikov - who created the "Sputnik V" vaccine - was strangled with a belt in his apartment last week.

Both men were two of the latest to join the staggering body count of high profile deaths of people linked to Mad Vlad.

MURDER INC. Bloodthirsty ‘mafia boss’ Putin killing Russian elite to cling to power as 39 oligarchs & officials mysteriously die
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21658269/putin-killing-russian-elite-mob-boss/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sunyoutubestories
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2139 on: March 14, 2023, 11:33:38 AM »
How many more till he matches Hillary's body count?
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2140 on: March 14, 2023, 11:35:01 AM »
How many more till he matches Hillary's body count?

I almost put something along those lines that in there  :rofl:
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2141 on: March 14, 2023, 11:39:29 AM »
Tragic that COVID is hitting Russia so hard this late in the game.

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« Reply #2142 on: March 14, 2023, 11:41:02 AM »
Tragic that COVID is hitting Russia so hard this late in the game.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2143 on: March 14, 2023, 12:41:55 PM »
How many more till he matches Hillary's body count?

She must have killed more men than Cecil B. Demille...
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« Reply #2144 on: March 14, 2023, 02:02:03 PM »
Russian SU-27 took down one of our MQ-9 Reapers today over the Black Sea.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-jet-collides-with-american-drone-international-airspace-black-sea

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2145 on: March 14, 2023, 04:05:33 PM »
Russian SU-27 took down one of our MQ-9 Reapers today over the Black Sea.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russian-jet-collides-with-american-drone-international-airspace-black-sea

In the past, in other places I'm familiar with, when our unmanned ISR aircraft are harrassed and/or damaged, we'll give them a Raptor escort for a while. Often the Raptors will escort from a distance  as if to bait in enemy aircraft and then close in quickly to say hello and protect the ISR asset.

I'm told by my Air Force friends that a "Surprise! Raptor!" Moment is pretty jarring for other fighter pilots.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2146 on: March 14, 2023, 04:09:17 PM »
In the past, in other places I'm familiar with, when our unmanned ISR aircraft are harrassed and/or damaged, we'll give them a Raptor escort for a while. Often the Raptors will escort from a distance  as if to bait in enemy aircraft and then close in quickly to say hello and protect the ISR asset.

I'm told by my Air Force friends that a "Surprise! Raptor!" Moment is pretty jarring for other fighter pilots.

You were in a 4g inverted dive with a Mig-28?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2147 on: March 14, 2023, 04:23:41 PM »
You were in a 4g inverted dive with a Mig-28?

No, I wish. 

I have been told that there are several Farsi speaking Mig-29 pilots who learned to be less confidant in their RADAR coverage.  Could have been the zoomies bragging to the Army guy, but I do know for a fact we have run Raptor escorts on MQ-9's around the Straights of Hormuz, and I believe our pilots would *expletive deleted*ck with them like that.


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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #2148 on: March 14, 2023, 04:50:01 PM »
I was in a 4g just the other day.

Wait... you're talking cell phone coverage areas, right?
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« Reply #2149 on: March 14, 2023, 05:00:54 PM »
I was in a 4g just the other day.

Wait... you're talking cell phone coverage areas, right?

No, communicating.  Foreign relations.