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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3250 on: November 21, 2024, 02:19:57 PM »
Another possibility:

Putin DID escalate to using Nukes, and Russia thought that missile had live warheads on it till it landed.  Now they are simultaneously looking for the General that sold the warheads and trying to figure out how to spin this as a show of force.
Yeah, I thought about making that joke too.

If Putin launched nuke missiles expecting a nuclear blast, I think he'd have to ensure a nuclear blast occurred no matter what.

The US knew about the strike ahead of time and telegraphed that knowledge by closing the Embassy in Kiev because of a "significant airstrike" on November 20.  So Russia knew that we knew, and if they were legitimately going to fire nukes and those nukes quite publicly did not go off, they would absolutely have to fire another missile and pretend the first one was decoys just to maintain deterrence.  Putin has to have nukes to fall back on, and if he launches nukes and ends up with a lightshow, small craters, and a couple of injuries then there would be a perception that he has nothing at all backing his play.

The only reason why they wouldn't fire another ICBM or IRBM to make sure there was a nice mushroom cloud would be if they legitimately weren't confident they could make it go boom on round 2.

That said, the most obvious proof that this wasn't intended to be nuclear is that they wouldn't waste that many warheads on such a small area if they thought they were using nukes.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3251 on: November 21, 2024, 04:01:30 PM »
Just a weapon test - why not? Good training area, good time...

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3252 on: November 21, 2024, 06:39:58 PM »
Just a weapon test - why not? Good training area, good time...

More people dying in a pointless war, yay
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3253 on: November 22, 2024, 04:48:45 AM »
More people dying in a pointless war, yay
Try to send even more weapons to Ukraine - maybe then fewer people will die? Idiotic logic that doesn't work in practice, but let's try again?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3254 on: November 22, 2024, 05:56:28 AM »
Try to send even more weapons to Ukraine - maybe then fewer people will die? Idiotic logic that doesn't work in practice, but let's try again?
Do you believe your initiation of the war was righteous?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3255 on: November 22, 2024, 06:06:32 AM »
Do you believe your initiation of the war was righteous?

Do you think ours was?

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3256 on: November 22, 2024, 06:45:18 AM »
Do you believe your initiation of the war was righteous?
Yes, I think that your initiation of this war was unrighteous ))) Sorry, but my dialogue with you looks quite funny because we have completely different beliefs about the reasons for the start of this war.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3257 on: November 22, 2024, 07:04:23 AM »
Yes, I think that your initiation of this war was unrighteous ))) Sorry, but my dialogue with you looks quite funny because we have completely different beliefs about the reasons for the start of this war.
I'd love to hear more of your beliefs on the matter.

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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3258 on: December 01, 2024, 01:02:25 PM »
S2 Underground has some updated info on the cable cutting. Apparently, the latest info is that the cables were cut ~100 miles apart and not next to each other as some previous reports indicated. Prime culprit might be a Chinese Cargo Carrier that "accidentally" dragged her anchor for 100 miles. It still might be something else as details are still lacking.

This is his longer weekly Intel update, but the cable stuff is in the first 5 minutes.

https://youtu.be/0z8Wt74dfik
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3259 on: December 04, 2024, 12:26:57 PM »
Fun overview on what North Korean soldiers are facing in Ukraine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPlwEV5jAU
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3260 on: December 04, 2024, 02:53:08 PM »
Fun overview on what North Korean soldiers are facing in Ukraine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPlwEV5jAU
Makes me wonder if South Korea beams an open Wifi signal over the border to N. Korea.  Or maybe they should.
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Re: War in Eastern Europe, what's it good for ....
« Reply #3261 on: December 04, 2024, 03:36:32 PM »
Makes me wonder if South Korea beams an open Wifi signal over the border to N. Korea.  Or maybe they should.

Even if they do I sure wouldn't want to be the Nork that caught using it. From what I understand South Korea (Souks?) will float USB sticks with music, movies, news across the border by balloon hoping to show the Norks what they are missing. When the Norks find people watching or sharing them it is either off to the gulag or the firing squad.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-korea-executed-30-teenagers-133020195.html

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/by-hyemin-son-for-rfa-korean-12022022204452.html


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