tenterhooks/NYSRPA scotus case

[MillCreek]

Neato.  I’ll have to look that up.  Thanks!

I see that Skagit is now using Permiteum:  https://skagitwa.permitium.com/ccw/start

[RocketMan]

A 72 hour psych hold if they act in any way upset disappointed during any part of the denial or red flag too.

FTFY.  Won't have to be upset or angry.  Just "darn it" disappointed.

[Bogie]

Until about 15 years or so ago, St. Louis City required two letters from "responsible" individuals attesting to the character of someone who wished to legally purchase a handgun.
 
And if the prospective purchaser was black, the letters obviously were not from "responsible" individuals.
 
We've fixed SO much of that.

[gunsmith]

So will Hochel's security be switching to muskets?

  Gawd, new yorkers like her are so dense - infuriating imbeciles, A: quite some time ago, a guy got arrested for having a replica functional black powder Kentucky Rifle in his apt as a wall hanger, they eventually let him go due to not having ammo/powder.
 In the media they kept on showing pictures of a Barrett .50 because it was a fifty caliber rifle.
B: They would certainly arrest anyone they caught waking around with "muskets". Not that they know the difference between a blunderbuss, a musket or a Kentucky Rifle

[gunsmith]

 hopefully, they will now be forced to accept national reciprocity for ccw, you can drive anywhere on a driver's license , it needs to be the same for gun owners-living on the border of California is a drag

[JTHunter]

A: quite some time ago, a guy got arrested for having a replica functional black powder Kentucky Rifle in his apt as a wall hanger, they eventually let him go due to not having ammo/powder.

Wasn't there someone, possibly a professor from a southern college, driving north through NJ and got pulled over and went through H.3LL because he had BP pistol with him?  It may have been in his glove box or in a box in the trunk (I don't remember) but they went through all kinds of legal shenanigans several years ago.

[gunsmith]

Wasn't there someone, possibly a professor from a southern college, driving north through NJ and got pulled over and went through H.3LL because he had BP pistol with him?  It may have been in his glove box or in a box in the trunk (I don't remember) but they went through all kinds of legal shenanigans several years ago.

I do not recall, but I wouldn't be surprised - NJ is beautiful in some sections but a legal S hole everywhere in the state.

 it will take a yr or two for nj/ny/ca to really start complying and it will be a fight for every win

[Hawkmoon]

hopefully, they will now be forced to accept national reciprocity for ccw, you can drive anywhere on a driver's license , it needs to be the same for gun owners-living on the border of California is a drag

No, they won't. The decision specifically said this decision does not affect existing permitting systems that [paraphrased] aren't arbitrary or capricious. If states are still allowed to have their own permitting systems, they aren't required to recognize any other states' permits.

I actually think this should be covered by the "full faith and credit" clause, but lawyer types tell me that doesn't apply. They have a reason, but it doesn't make sense to me. I guess that's why I'm not a lawyer.

[Ben]

I was just reading that the CA AG is fast tracking legislation to vastly expand "gun free zones" and other areas where guns would be prohibited. I suppose that is one other sly workaround they can use. You get your permit, but pretty much everywhere you go is off limits for concealed carry.

[WLJ]

I was just reading that the CA AG is fast tracking legislation to vastly expand "gun free zones" and other areas where guns would be prohibited. I suppose that is one other sly workaround they can use. You get your permit, but pretty much everywhere you go is off limits for concealed carry.

Illinois passed a law banning carrying firearms within 1,000ft of any and all schools. If you looked at a map of many cites and centered a 2,000ft dia circle on every school 90% of those cities would be covered.
Also IIRC Illinois also passed a law that banned carrying firearms within 1,000 of a public park.

Both got struck down by the IL SC

[Pb]

I really wondering what the courts are going to do now.  Are they going be serious and start striking down restrictive carry laws now, or not? 

[Ben]

Both got struck down by the IL SC

With the IANAL caveat, wouldn't those types of rulings only apply to public areas? In a state like CA, with a large anti population, the AG could work with private entities to "suggest" they put "no guns" signs at their front doors, and even make violation a firearms felony versus the misdemeanor trespassing charge it is in most private places that do that.

[Devonai]

When I got CT pistol permit way back in 1987 it was an annoying and intrusive process but it seemed mostly a matter of checking the boxes and jumping through the right hoops. No anticipation that a denial was very probable.
Unconstitutional but it was the process.
Sign off by a certified NRA instructor,  background check, interview with county sheriff or police chief, don't remember which and I got my permit.

Has it changed much since then?

It doesn't sound like it has.  I am hoping for a streamlining of the entire process, which includes the (always has been) stupid requirement of getting a town permit first.  Which, by the way, no longer even allows you to carry in that town.  So, WHY DOES IT EXIST?

The process of getting a state permit is the same once you get your town permit as it is for non-residents, which again begs the question of why require a town permit first if the state is just going to make you go through the same process again?

Lastly, once you add up all the fees leading to the final permit, I think you can argue that it's prohibitive enough to force a change, if some entity has the time, money, and lawyers to do so.

[Hawkmoon]

Illinois passed a law banning carrying firearms within 1,000ft of any and all schools. If you looked at a map of many cites and centered a 2,000ft dia circle on every school 90% of those cities would be covered.
Also IIRC Illinois also passed a law that banned carrying firearms within 1,000 of a public park.

Both got struck down by the IL SC

That's already prohibited under federal law.

"Gun Free School Zones Act."

[Hawkmoon]

It doesn't sound like it has.  I am hoping for a streamlining of the entire process, which includes the (always has been) stupid requirement of getting a town permit first.  Which, by the way, no longer even allows you to carry in that town.  So, WHY DOES IT EXIST?

Yes it does. In fact, it's no longer a "town" permit -- it's now a "temporary state permit."

[MechAg94]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfO6HBILR_T/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I saw this yesterday.  Not certain if there is a non-Instagram source. 

Essentially says California AG issues legal alert that authorities should no longer require "proof of good cause" for the issuance of carry license. 

[French G.]

Gun people are really missing the point. Like Roe people or gay married people why do we get excited when the rights we consider essential to life are confirmed by one or two people voting in a court? I mean glad we won but I am at the point where I am going to do me not matter what a court says.

[Perd Hapley]

Gun people are really missing the point. Like Roe people or gay married people why do we get excited when the rights we consider essential to life are confirmed by one or two people voting in a court? I mean glad we won but I am at the point where I am going to do me not matter what a court says.

Not getting jailed for exercising fundamental rights is kind of a big deal.

[230RN]

That's already prohibited under federal law.

"Gun Free School Zones Act."

I complained loudly several times about the fact that all these school shooters were already breaking that law, but nobody seemed to pick up on it... least of all, those of us who are supposed to know about it.

So, like, a whole lot of cotton-pickin' good that stupid law did, right?

"Oh, wait,.,. I can't go in that school and shoot the place up!  I can't have a gun within a thousand feet of a school. Drat!"

Grrr....

Terry, 230RN

[Hawkmoon]

Give thanks to the deity of your choice that Merrick Garland didn't get appointed to the Supreme Court.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-statement-supreme-court-ruling-new-york-state-rifle-pistol-association-inc

Paraphrased: "The federal agency charged with upholding the laws and the constitution thinks the federal body charged with interpreting the constitution is wrong, so we're going to do our best to subvert the law of the land."

[MechAg94]

Gun people are really missing the point. Like Roe people or gay married people why do we get excited when the rights we consider essential to life are confirmed by one or two people voting in a court? I mean glad we won but I am at the point where I am going to do me not matter what a court says.

A small number of people took it away in the first place bit by bit over time.  The importance of judges in our govt is not widely recognized until something like this happens. 

The importance of voting also.  A whole lot of people turned out to vote for Trump in 2016 and overcame what I think was a plan to get Hilary elected in the same way Biden was.  They just weren't prepared for Trump's turnout.  That led to 3 supreme court appointments and hundreds of lower level federal judge appointments that were pushed through.  Pushed through because a previous Democrat Senate majority leader got impatient and removed the filibuster rule for that.

[MechAg94]

Related:
Stephen Hunter: The Assault Weapon Massacres of 1964
https://gunmagwarehouse.com/blog/stephen-hunter-the-assault-weapon-massacres-of-1964/?goal=0_0d355b7f6d-e01f6f802c-424828993&mc_cid=e01f6f802c&mc_eid=d123d81d4a

    Possibly you’re old enough to remember the great massacre spree of 1964? Classrooms shot up, strip malls decimated, Scout troops blown away, fast foot restaurants turned into mortuaries.

    And all because, in its infinite stupidity, the U.S. Government dumped 240,000 high-capacity .30-caliber assault rifles into an otherwise innocent America.

Remember when that happened? No? Me neither, despite being a historian. That’s because it didn’t happen, despite hundreds of thousands of M-1 Carbines being dumped on an unsuspecting public in 1963 for less than a hundred bucks apiece. NRA members could buy them for a 20-dollar bill. No background check either.

[MillCreek]

^^^That was a really interesting article to read.

[WLJ]

That's probably not far off the mark, even if you were being sarcastic. I expect CA and other lib states will be tightly embracing "domestic hate speech/group/terrorist/white supremacist.

I usually try to keep one foot of my sarcasm at least somewhat on solid ground.

Case in point

In guidance sent out to California law enforcement shortly after the Bruen decision was handed down, AG Rob Bonta reminded issuing authorities of the “good moral character” clause, and as UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh points out, appears to endorse an ideological test for those wanting to exercise their Second Amendment right to carry a firearm in self-defense. Here’s what Bonta said:

Bonta says issuing authorities in the state can not only personal references from applicants, but can scour their social media pages looking for anything that they can point to as a basis of denial. Volokh says the whole scheme sounds unconstitutional to him; not just as a violation of the Second Amendment rights of Californians, but as an infringement on their First Amendment rights as well.

Next up for California: an ideological test for concealed carry applicants?
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2022/06/27/next-up-for-california-an-ideological-test-for-concealed-carry-applicants-n59758

[Pb]

That's already prohibited under federal law.

"Gun Free School Zones Act."

The Federal Gun Free Schools Act- unconstitutional as it is- still exempts people with state carry permits, even to carry in a school.