Illegal immigrants there, not here

[Ben]

hotels have a contract with the state to house refugees illegal immigrants.

Pretty much none of them are refugees.

[WLJ]

Of note in the above article

The Department of Homeland Security announced the plan to bypass long drawn-out environmental reviews in order to expedite border wall construction in Starr County, TX as the administration struggles to handle an ongoing migrant crisis that has strained local and federal resources.

Elon: "Must be nice"

[WLJ]

Genius: Vacationing Family Poses As Illegal Immigrants To Get Free Hotel Room In New York City
https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-frugal-family-poses-as-illegal-immigrants-to-get-free-hotel-oom-in-nyc

[Ben]

Of note in the above article

Elon: "Must be nice"

Yup. "Waiving 26 Federal laws". Isn't that impeachable for a Republican President?

https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/mayorkas-to-expedite-construction-of-border-wall-in-texas-amid-illegal-immigration-surge-5504330

[charby]

Pretty much none of them are refugees.

I disagree, parts of southern Mexico and into central America are not the nicest places to live if you aren't connected to the cartels. They really don't have any options, governments are corrupt there, US isn't going to declare all-out war on the cartels, so what are they supposed to do? If you are a true believer of Christ, it is extremely un-Christian to ignore their plight.

Also, whitey isn't pumping out children anymore either, so we do need the bodies to fill employment.

All the 20th century US meddling around in Latin America and the US war on drugs created that environment that the people are fleeing from.

[WLJ]

EPIC Thread HUMILIATES Lefties/Dems who attacked Trump for building the wall Biden NOW wants built
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/05/thread-humiliates-lefties-who-once-claimed-trumps-wall-was-racist-is-it-still-racist-under-biden-n2388157

And for those with VIP access a rather striking comparison to opinions about a border wall past and present coming from Biden and gang

Biden & KJP's takes on border walls have changed a LOT in a very short time
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/10/05/biden-whs-take-on-border-walls-has-changed-a-lot-in-just-12-short-months-kjp-shotchaser-n2388156

[dogmush]

All the 20th century US meddling around in Latin America and the US war on drugs created that environment that the people are fleeing from.

Citation needed. 

All the 20th Century Latin American flirting with Socialism and Communism combined with a cultural tolerance for corruption created that environment.  The US is under no moral obligation to accept anyone that shows up at our border with a claim that they are fleeing a country not as good as ours.

[WLJ]

So I guess Republicans are letting Joe close the border now? 

[Ben]

Citation needed. 

All the 20th Century Latin American flirting with Socialism and Communism combined with a cultural tolerance for corruption created that environment.  The US is under no moral obligation to accept anyone that shows up at our border with a claim that they are fleeing a country not as good as ours.

In fact if I recall correctly, the international standard is "first free country", not "whatever country I want".

My mother was an actual refugee in WW2, and I still recall her story of the choice of either going barefoot, or taking the boots off one of the bloated dead guys on the side of the road, as everyone in their group had to do.

The "refugees" that show up at our border wear Nikes, logo t-shirt, and more often than not, have a phone in one hand and a bag from the Burger King in Ciudad Juarez in the other. Because Mexico has a thriving economy and large middle class with suburbs and everything, and that's where the "refugees" should have stopped.

[WLJ]

But Joe and gang have been saying the border was closed and safe and secure for months/years.
Note how it's the Texas Rangers doing this and not the feds

America's border war has begun: TODD BENSMAN's dramatic eyewitness report on Texas' invasion of a Mexican cartel island crawling with gang members and ringed with sniper nests... and it's all happening INSIDE the U.S.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12589871/mexico-cartel-texas-invasion-border-war-todd-bensman.html

[charby]

Citation needed. 

All the 20th Century Latin American flirting with Socialism and Communism combined with a cultural tolerance for corruption created that environment.  The US is under no moral obligation to accept anyone that shows up at our border with a claim that they are fleeing a country not as good as ours.

https://jsri.msu.edu/publications/nexo/vol-xxii/no-2-spring-2019/manmade-immigration-crisis-caused-by-u-s-intervention-in-latin-america

[Ben]

https://jsri.msu.edu/publications/nexo/vol-xxii/no-2-spring-2019/manmade-immigration-crisis-caused-by-u-s-intervention-in-latin-america

There's certainly no bias issues with the staff there. 

[charby]

In fact if I recall correctly, the international standard is "first free country", not "whatever country I want".

My mother was an actual refugee in WW2, and I still recall her story of the choice of either going barefoot, or taking the boots off one of the bloated dead guys on the side of the road, as everyone in their group had to do.

The "refugees" that show up at our border wear Nikes, logo t-shirt, and more often than not, have a phone in one hand and a bag from the Burger King in Ciudad Juarez in the other. Because Mexico has a thriving economy and large middle class with suburbs and everything, and that's where the "refugees" should have stopped.

Many of our expensive goods are cheap AF in other countries. I was just in Puerto Vallarta area of Mexico 2 weeks ago, smart phones are cheap and so are plans (internet too). We are really getting screwed in the US. The few street markets I went to had copies of designer goods for cheap AF, I doubt you can tell the difference in a picture.

What I saw in Mexico was every little of the thriving middle class economy you are mentioning. All the nice places were owned (99 year bank trust leases) by Ex-Pats or seasonal tourists from the US and Canada. I'll be back there in 47 days, I can report more on the lack of thriving Mexican middle class if you would like.

[dogmush]

https://jsri.msu.edu/publications/nexo/vol-xxii/no-2-spring-2019/manmade-immigration-crisis-caused-by-u-s-intervention-in-latin-america

An opinion piece only proves that others share your opinion, it does not provide evidence.  An anonymous opinion piece lacks even that shred of credibility.

There are many that believe as you do, that the US caused the current problems with Latin America, and while I never defend the War on [some] Drugs, and it hasn't helped the situation, it's not the driving factor.

Indeed the US Intellectual class' determination to overlook other folk's self determination is one of the few bastions of real racisms left in this country.  Latin America had help from the US and Europe, but their people, their culture, and to a great extant their Criminals are what led them to where they are now.  If they don't fix those issues, no amount of action or inaction from the US will fix it.

[charby]

An opinion piece only proves that others share your opinion, it does not provide evidence.  An anonymous opinion piece lacks even that shred of credibility.

There are many that believe as you do, that the US caused the current problems with Latin America, and while I never defend the War on [some] Drugs, and it hasn't helped the situation, it's not the driving factor.

Indeed the US Intellectual class' determination to overlook other folk's self determination is one of the few bastions of real racisms left in this country.  Latin America had help from the US and Europe, but their people, their culture, and to a great extant their Criminals are what led them to where they are now.  If they don't fix those issues, no amount of action or inaction from the US will fix it.

You're not going to change my mind on that US Foreign Policy in Latin America caused the current problems and the immigration issues.

Just like Britian caused all the modern issues in the Middle East. Also the geopolitical problems in Africa stem from the European colonialism era.

[dogmush]

You're not going to change my mind on that US Foreign Policy in Latin America caused the current problems and the immigration issues.

Just like Britian caused all the modern issues in the Middle East. Also the geopolitical problems in Africa stem from the European colonialism era.

Right.  Because you believe brown people have no ability to self-determine, self-govern, or shape the future of any government or society they are a part of for decades, or centuries.  They can only react to what the white man does to them.  They have no ability to adapt their culture successfully.

Like a racist.

[charby]

Right.  Because you believe brown people have no ability to self-determine, self-govern, or shape the future of any government or society they are a part of for decades, or centuries.  They can only react to what the white man does to them.  They have no ability to adapt their culture successfully.

Like a racist.

Have a nice day.

[WLJ]

Have a friend from the Dominican Republic.
In his opinion the only time the country was worth a darn was when the US occupied it.

[Ben]

What I saw in Mexico was every little of the thriving middle class economy you are mentioning. All the nice places were owned (99 year bank trust leases) by Ex-Pats or seasonal tourists from the US and Canada. I'll be back there in 47 days, I can report more on the lack of thriving Mexican middle class if you would like.

Certainly as you are the only APS member, or American even, to have spent any time in Mexico or Central America, I look forward to your report.

Certainly Mexico is very third world. No Burger Kings, KFCs, Walmarts, or Costcos.

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.699999,-106.4331871,14.03z?authuser=0&entry=ttu

[Ben]

Also the geopolitical problems in Africa stem from the European colonialism era.

Wow. Those are some powerful drugs you're popping there.

Africans have been killing and enslaving Africans for as long as there have been Africans. If anything, the iron hand of European colonialism slowed down the slaughter and tribal ethnic cleansings.

[charby]

Wow. Those are some powerful drugs you're popping there.

Africans have been killing and enslaving Africans for as long as there have been Africans. If anything, the iron hand of European colonialism slowed down the slaughter and tribal ethnic cleansings.

Yep, because they pacified with the barrel of a gun while they exploited the resources they wanted. They also genocided people that wouldn't play ball too. Pitted tribes against each other, drew lines on a map that didn't fit the historic tribal boundaries, etc.

[cordex]

Iron Eyes Charby sadly watching the white man cause all the world’s problems while a single tear inches down his face.

[charby]

Iron Eyes Charby sadly watching the white man cause all the world’s problems while a single tear inches down his face.

Absolutism Cordex is joining the party too. 

[cordex]

Absolutism Cordex is joining the party too.

“Autism Cordex” would have been funnier. Not as funny as Iron Eyes Charby though.

[WLJ]

Iron Eyes Charby sadly watching the white man cause all the world’s problems while a single tear inches down his face.

I didn't know Charby was Italian



In case you don't get it Iron Eyes Cody's real name was Espera Oscar de Corti and his parents were Italian. Mother Sicilian technically