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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #275 on: January 30, 2024, 09:17:46 PM »
If Trump promises "alligator moats", I will vote for him.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1752370592131461338

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #276 on: January 31, 2024, 07:01:40 AM »
Interesting footnote on our divided politics: I ran into two separate threads on reddit where the OP included a photo or video, zoomed in, on a Texas "border crossing" that was empty. No migrants, no LE. The OPs claimed that this was the way the entire Texas border looked - that there were no migrants "pouring in". They had thousands of replies agreeing that the migrant crisis is fake news constructed by the Trumpers.

Nevermind the government's own monthly reports, I guess.  ;/

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    There is no border crisis, except for the immigrants themselves. And their treatment isn't what the GOP cares about. They want to prevent them from coming to appease their racist base.
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    The "border crisis" is a xenophobic mania rooted in the fact that our media mechanically repeats anything claim by the GOP or its partisan press as half true. This "crisis" has only been created to stir up anger and demographic panic and prepare the ground for a fascist president https://t.co/P3MMIcGNPZ
    — Will Stancil (@whstancil) January 30, 2024

Hot Take: There Is No 'Border Crisis,' Just Xenophobic Mania Ginned Up by the Press
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/01/30/hot-take-there-is-no-border-crisis-just-xenophobic-mania-ginned-up-by-the-press-n2392370

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The GOP has engineered a situation where Texas is quasi-seceding, there's an impeachment , and every member of the party is screeching about the fake border crisis at every opportunity. The Dems were like "Let's impeach Trump, but also... let's work with him."
https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1752378576039710998

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It's unbelievable that Democrats still, still, STILL can't figure it out: the GOP is using its dominance of media narratives to lead them, and voters, around by their noses! Anything can be a crisis, anything can be ignored, if the media makes it so.
https://twitter.com/whstancil/status/1752377753913987398



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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #277 on: February 02, 2024, 10:08:16 AM »
I mentioned above I was seeing a bunch of "This is all made up - there are no migrant hordes at the border" stuff, along with images of empty border crossings. Maybe they weren't propaganda after all. It appears that concertina wire works:



https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/02/texas-illegals-down-this-is-how-its-done-sorry-biden-n2392479
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #278 on: February 02, 2024, 10:13:17 AM »
I mentioned above I was seeing a bunch of "This is all made up - there are no migrant hordes at the border" stuff, along with images of empty border crossings. Maybe they weren't propaganda after all. It appears that concertina wire works:



https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/02/02/texas-illegals-down-this-is-how-its-done-sorry-biden-n2392479

Just saw that. Will bet good money the Biden admin will take full credit and much of the MSM will back that up.
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #279 on: February 03, 2024, 10:20:13 AM »
Concerning the flood of legal and illegal immigrants/invaders.

They will soon find the joke is on them. I'm not confident the USA will even be a first world civilization 20 years from now. There are huge problems finding qualified people to keep basic infrastructure maintained and replaced as needed. Looks like the plan is to just run everything into the ground.

 
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #280 on: February 05, 2024, 09:12:39 AM »
Please tell me about this border with Mexico. If, nevertheless, the problem of illegal immigration exists (I do not believe that this is a made-up story) and has existed for so many years, why can’t we really install a reliable fence that prevents such illegal immigration?
I certainly understand that the border is large (I don’t remember, maybe 2 or 3 thousand kilometers), but a lot of time has already passed and during this time it would have been possible to build a new Great Wall of China (with modern technologies and financing opportunities)?
What is the reason?

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #281 on: February 05, 2024, 09:26:23 AM »
Please tell me about this border with Mexico. If, nevertheless, the problem of illegal immigration exists (I do not believe that this is a made-up story) and has existed for so many years, why can’t we really install a reliable fence that prevents such illegal immigration?
I certainly understand that the border is large (I don’t remember, maybe 2 or 3 thousand kilometers), but a lot of time has already passed and during this time it would have been possible to build a new Great Wall of China (with modern technologies and financing opportunities)?
What is the reason?
1.  Politics.  Means a portion (majority?) of elected officials support the illegal immigration and have managed to fill our immigration laws/regulations with more loop holes than you can shake a stick at.
2.  A great deal of money is being spent by unspecified parties to support more illegal immigration into 1st world countries.
3.  Free stuff being doled out to non-citizens (see #1). 
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #282 on: February 05, 2024, 09:27:44 AM »
Yes, there are certainly obstacles that would need to be overcome in order to reduce illegal immigration through an effective barrier, but you are also correct that it is an issue that could be resolved.

The problem is that there is not a general desire to accomplish that goal.

Many politicians - of both parties, but primarily Democrats - see value in bringing in large quantities of poor immigrants.  While sometimes there is a vague pretense that this is for the moral good of improving the lives of said poor immigrants, the real reasons tend to be:
1. Some businesses benefit from a workforce of illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less than an ever-increasing minimum wage.  These businesses buy politicians.
2. Democrats see political benefit in importing large numbers of people they believe will eventually swell their voting base.
3. Some politicians think there is a net increase in tax revenue because illegal immigrants are unable to take advantage of some benefits while contributing some tax revenue.  I've seen this argued in both directions, though, and I'm not sure which is more correct.

So, lack of will, not of capability.

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #283 on: February 05, 2024, 09:43:43 AM »
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))

In any case, this seems to me too ridiculous and absurd a problem for such a strong country...

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #284 on: February 05, 2024, 09:44:25 AM »
1.  Politics.  Means a portion (majority?) of elected officials support the illegal immigration and have managed to fill our immigration laws/regulations with more loop holes than you can shake a stick at.
2.  A great deal of money is being spent by unspecified parties to support more illegal immigration into 1st world countries.
3.  Free stuff being doled out to non-citizens (see #1).
4. The goal is to diminish the West in general and America in particular. Since raising up countries with poor governance and substandard cultural norms isn't working, equity requires diminishing the successful.
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #285 on: February 05, 2024, 10:20:52 AM »
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))

In any case, this seems to me too ridiculous and absurd a problem for such a strong country...

It's really not that absurd in our political structure. Black people, for instance, have historically voted very heavily democrat. The Republicans would argue that much of that is because under democrat administrations, that population gets more free stuff courtesy of taxpayers.

The democrat reasoning for southern immigrants is that if they encourage illegal immigration, give the illegal immigrants money, housing, etc (which they are currently doing), then wave a magic wand and give them all amnesty and citizenship, that this group will vote democrat in thanks.

Whether that would work or not is debatable, I suppose. Further, there can be unintended consequences, such as currently, the traditionally black population isn't really happy about another group getting preferential treatment, and many of them are switching to vote Republican.
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #286 on: February 05, 2024, 10:37:41 AM »
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))

Of course it is.  Most immigrants (legal and illegal) are leftist.  Massive immagration (of all sorts) tilts areas leftist.  There is literally nothing stopping non-citizens from registering to vote, no matter the fact that it is illegal for them to vote in a federal election.  Voter registeration works on the honor system.   ;/

Also, immigrants from below the border are far more tolerant of corrupt government, as the expect it to be the norm.  Politicians want to have a population that will keep re-electing them in return for welfare and racial preferences, no matter how corrupt and incompetent they are.

It is called the "great replacement theory" and is denounced as a racist consipiracy theory by every major media outlet, despite the fact that is blatantly true.

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #287 on: February 05, 2024, 10:45:22 AM »
... some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))
Yes.  As has already been mentioned, whether the reason is cultural, transactional, or social, many of the illegal immigrants are (or are at least almost universally believed to be) significantly more aligned with the left in the US.  There has been an ongoing push by the left to give illegal immigrants the ability to vote in local elections, as well as pushes to grant citizenship to various subsets of the group (most notably "dreamers", or illegal immigrants brought to the US as children).  In addition, children born in the US to illegal immigrant parents are eligible to vote when they reach the age of 18.

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« Reply #288 on: February 05, 2024, 11:21:56 AM »

COMMUNISM IS THE SOLUTION TO COMMUNIST DISRUPTION

Concerning the flood of legal and illegal immigrants/invaders.

They will soon find the joke is on them. I'm not confident the USA will even be a first world civilization 20 years from now. There are huge problems finding qualified people to keep basic infrastructure maintained and replaced as needed. Looks like the plan is to just run everything into the ground.

 

Correct.  Long term always-successful strategy.  Wreck a country, then declare Communism as the solution to the (Communist-generated) problems.

Hide the "Communism" with more gentle words like "socialism," progressivism," "liberalism," "forward-looking," etc.  Simultaneously substitute fear words for common concepts.  "Assault rifle" and "military-style" weapons come to mind immediately.  Also "fascism."

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #290 on: February 05, 2024, 08:01:16 PM »
Thanks for the explanations, some reasons are clear to me, but some are absolutely ridiculous, for example:" they believe will eventually swell their voting base." -  Is there really such a reasoning?)))


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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #292 on: February 07, 2024, 08:12:07 AM »
That train wreck of a bill isn't going anywhere
Meanwhile the MSM is reporting it as the "Rs refuses to pass the D supported bill Biden needs to secure the border" or some close variance there of
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« Reply #293 on: February 07, 2024, 08:15:01 AM »
That train wreck of a bill isn't going anywhere
Meanwhile the MSM is reporting it as the "Rs refuses to pass the D supported bill Biden needs to secure the border" or some close variance there of

Biden and the press secretary are going full bore gaslighting that the immigrant surge that started in January of 2020 is all Trump's fault, and the current open border is all due to "Trump and maga".
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #294 on: February 07, 2024, 08:23:37 AM »
Biden and the press secretary are going full bore gaslighting that the immigrant surge that started in January of 2020 is all Trump's fault, and the current open border is all due to "Trump and maga".

You mean 2021
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« Reply #295 on: February 07, 2024, 08:30:23 AM »
You mean 2021

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« Reply #296 on: February 07, 2024, 08:33:23 AM »
No proofreading allowed until Ben has had his second cup of coffee. One just doesn't do it anymore.  =D

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #297 on: February 07, 2024, 05:13:13 PM »
I was sent a link about this today.  It actually happened almost a decade ago, but if it worked then, there's no reason it wouldn't work these days - if the fed.gov weren't so dead set on their own agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_border_barrier

Hungary started building border fences long ago, there was one on the Hungary/Austria from 1950-1989, the latest one I found was built starting in 2015.  The latest one seems have been effective: 

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Impact on the number of illegal migrants entering Hungary

Attempted border entries fell following the barrier's construction. During the month of September 2015 there was a total number of 138,396 migrant entries, and within the first two weeks of November the average daily number of intercepted migrants decreased to only 15, which is a daily reduction of more than 4,500.[42]

The fence pissed off a few people, UN, EU & eco-nuts included.  Hungary basically told them to F-off. 

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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #298 on: February 07, 2024, 05:55:51 PM »
Money is not a problem for securing the border. It's a lack of will, or more likely an intentional design to undermine American sovereignty. It's an America Last policy and both Democrats and Republicans are guilty.
 
Just look up the amounts of money being suggested to be destined for other countries' security, like Ukraine and Israel. Ridiculous.

This one https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-of-representatives-israel-aid-vote-mike-johnson/ didn't pass yesterday, but look at that amount. How much wall would that dollar figure cover if it were aimed at US security?
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Re: Illegal immigrants there, not here
« Reply #299 on: February 08, 2024, 07:15:39 PM »
Suddenly he can do it after saying he couldn't for how long?

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