EVs not ready for prime time?

[K Frame]

I've seen most of the EVs currently on the market.

Nissan Leaf, Chevy Volt, Rivian, Ioniq, and a few others.

[Bogie]

What will really do the trick for EVs is when they are convenient. And cheap. Think "Model T" and "easily charged."
 
Until that, we're going to be looking at virtue signaling for people who can afford the extra to put a charger in their house's garage. Which means "people who can afford a house with a garage."

[Northwoods]

What will really do the trick for EVs is when they are convenient. And cheap. Think "Model T" and "easily charged."
 
Until that, we're going to be looking at virtue signaling for people who can afford the extra to put a charger in their house's garage. Which means "people who can afford a house with a garage."

Until solid state batteries are ready for prime time I don't see "convenient and cheap" happening.  And even then it might be a while before "cheap" is a reality.  And until there's a build out of charging stations (and power stations to run them) "convenient" will be relative to current EVs.

[K Frame]

What will really do the trick for EVs is when they are convenient. And cheap. Think "Model T" and "easily charged."
 
Until that, we're going to be looking at virtue signaling for people who can afford the extra to put a charger in their house's garage. Which means "people who can afford a house with a garage."

I know quite a few people here in Northern Virginia who have no chargers at their homes.

Two of my neighbors on my court have Teslas, and there are several others in my community, as well.

All make use of the rather extensive charging network here in Northern Virginia.

The Wawa less than a half mile from my house has 15 chargers, including several superchargers.

The grocery store where I shop has several chargers on every level of the parking garage.

The building where most of my team works has several chargers on the first level of the garage. They were recently installed.

[Bogie]

I shall surmise, then, that a lot of the people in northern Virginia, and environs, think that there will be no problem with charging.
 
There are five semi-public chargers near my house, which is in a fairly built up area, where most of the houses use on-street parking. You are expected to patronize the pub while your vehicle charges.

[K Frame]

22 reported dead in South Korean lithium battery factory fire.

Doesn't appear that they make car batteries, but lithium car batteries have shown quite the propensity to light off and stay lit off.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/24/fire-at-south-korea-battery-plant-kills-at-least-16-people-report.html?qsearchterm=

[AZRedhawk44]

What will really do the trick for EVs is when they are convenient. And cheap. Think "Model T" and "easily charged."
 
Until that, we're going to be looking at virtue signaling for people who can afford the extra to put a charger in their house's garage. Which means "people who can afford a house with a garage."

Tesla is going to make a mint if they get to the point where convenient and cheap collide and they actually produce a "Model T" in line with many of their other model designations that are single letters.  Unless Ford holds a patent on the name "Model T."

[Calumus]

I wonder if the latest Supreme Court ruling eliminating Chevron deference is going to lead any auto makers to sue the Fed over unrealistic mileage standards. I’m not sure how much of the CAFE standards are actual law as opposed to bureaucratic regulations.

[HankB]

Tesla is going to make a mint if they get to the point where convenient and cheap collide and they actually produce a "Model T" in line with many of their other model designations that are single letters.  Unless Ford holds a patent on the name "Model T."

IANAL, but I'm sure any patent expired long ago. Copyrights and trademarks last much longer than patents - trademarks indefinitely, so long as the owner keeps the registration current and  defends them so the term doesn't become generic.

[Perd Hapley]

Musk could just go with "Model Tesla." It can't be a worse name than Cybertruck.

[WLJ]

Musk could just go with "Model Tesla." It can't be a worse name than Cybertruck.

Apple iTruck 

[lee n. field]

Apple iTruck 

Unservicable, and out of date in 3 years.  Apple customers are used to fast obsolescence.  "They'll buy a new one.  They always do."

Oh, yeah.  The batteries are glued in.

[WLJ]

Unservicable, and out of date in 3 years.  Apple customers are used to fast obsolescence.  "They'll buy a new one.  They always do."

Oh, yeah.  The batteries are glued in.

And if you don't buy a new one every year Apple will send an update that will cause the car to mysteriously suddenly have a top speed of 20mph.

[Perd Hapley]

Well, it ain't no cybertruck...

https://kindredmotorworks.com/models/kindred-chevy-3100/city-cruiser?utm_term=&utm_campaign=PMax+Catchall&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6947960776&hsa_cam=18740165226&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0sXl9qKYhwMVn4TLAR353ARJEAEYASAAEgJC_PD_BwE

[Ben]

Well, it ain't no cybertruck...

https://kindredmotorworks.com/models/kindred-chevy-3100/city-cruiser?utm_term=&utm_campaign=PMax+Catchall&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6947960776&hsa_cam=18740165226&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0sXl9qKYhwMVn4TLAR353ARJEAEYASAAEgJC_PD_BwE

And it's a bargain too!

[lee n. field]

Well, it ain't no cybertruck...

https://kindredmotorworks.com/models/kindred-chevy-3100/city-cruiser?utm_term=&utm_campaign=PMax+Catchall&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6947960776&hsa_cam=18740165226&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0sXl9qKYhwMVn4TLAR353ARJEAEYASAAEgJC_PD_BwE

Kind-a cool.  My great uncle, who died when I was 11 or 12, had a Chevy truck of that vintage.  I remember it well.

$169K, and they haven't started making them yet.  <sad>

[zahc]

California is letting Chinese companies map 1.8 million miles of California roads.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/08/chinese-self-driving-cars-us-roads-data-collection-surveillance-national-security-concerns-investigation/

[Northwoods]

California is letting Chinese companies map 1.8 million miles of California roads.

https://fortune.com/2024/07/08/chinese-self-driving-cars-us-roads-data-collection-surveillance-national-security-concerns-investigation/

What can possibly go wrong?

[K Frame]

Kind-a cool.  My great uncle, who died when I was 11 or 12, had a Chevy truck of that vintage.  I remember it well.

$169K, and they haven't started making them yet.  <sad>

Looks like an early C10 model.

[WLJ]

Apple iTruck 

Unservicable, and out of date in 3 years.  Apple customers are used to fast obsolescence.  "They'll buy a new one.  They always do."

Oh, yeah.  The batteries are glued in.

[Hawkmoon]

Well, it ain't no cybertruck...

https://kindredmotorworks.com/models/kindred-chevy-3100/city-cruiser?utm_term=&utm_campaign=PMax+Catchall&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=6947960776&hsa_cam=18740165226&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0sXl9qKYhwMVn4TLAR353ARJEAEYASAAEgJC_PD_BwE

I actually like that.

[WLJ]

But I need to charge my EV
Another example of how our power grid just isn't ready

New Yorkers told to limit energy use for second week during extreme heat: ‘It’s BS’
https://nypost.com/2024/07/16/us-news/new-yorkers-told-to-limit-energy-use-for-second-week-during-extreme-heat-its-bs/

[Kingcreek]

I know one guy that is thrilled with his EV. He farms a couple miles from me and bought an all electric Ford F150 loaded with all the options. He doesn't mind the 150 mile per charge capacity because he uses it local only. He has solar panels on his barn and machine shed.
and it's a farm expense write off. He said the whole thing cost him $27K after incentives. $0 fuel cost just some maintenance.
probably not many people in his position.

[Ben]

He said the whole thing cost him $27K after incentives. $0 fuel cost just some maintenance.
probably not many people in his position.

Interesting. I take my F150 on long drives occasionally, but mostly just to stretch its legs. The 4Runner is the primary road tripper. Otherwise the majority of driving with the F150 is local (rural local), which for me is usually either ~70 mile round trips or ~120 mile round trips. At $27K, I could be convinced to look into one for my use case. That's half of what an adequately equipped gasser F150 goes for nowadays.

[Kingcreek]

Interesting. I take my F150 on long drives occasionally, but mostly just to stretch its legs. The 4Runner is the primary road tripper. Otherwise the majority of driving with the F150 is local (rural local), which for me is usually either ~70 mile round trips or ~120 mile round trips. At $27K, I could be convinced to look into one for my use case. That's half of what an adequately equipped gasser F150 goes for nowadays.

You might be in a very similar situation esp if you have or plan to have solar panels.
Some of those incentives are state and Illinois is all in on green thanks to our politics.
I know he waited almost 2 years for his but availability should be better now.