Club Q shooting...

[WLJ]

Anderson Lee Aldrich, the man suspected of carrying out the massacre, was also a  heroin user who spoke openly about his addiction to opium

This is my shocked face

His neighbor said that Aldrich attended a gun range with his mother, Laura Voepel, where 'rapid fire' was permitted 

OMG! Rapid fire was permitted!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11457269/Colorado-nightclub-shooter-use-gay-slurs-claims-neighbor.html

[Hawkmoon]

^^^Why does that picture say 'incel' to me.

I was thinking the same thing even before seeing the photo.

[Hawkmoon]

I will again say "long gun" is a good term for journalists, because it's vague enough, even they will usually usually get it right. It's better than hearing them identify a bolt-action .22 as an AK.

Well, it makes it easier for "journalists" to not make errors of description -- but it also has the effect of teaching the beneral public that ALL "long guns" are evil.

On another note -- does anyone know if the Club Q was a "gun-free" zone? Obviously, it wasn't -- but did the shooter break any laws or house rules by bringing the gun into the club?

[French G.]

Personally waiting to find out he knew victims and they knew him because he was a regular.


I don’t know this but the fact that MSNBC doesn’t have a picture of him at a trump rally suggests it.

I went through an lgbt reddit about this and I think it is pretty hopeless. All conservatives want them dead in their world view. I want them to have all the rights I do.

[Perd Hapley]

Well, it makes it easier for "journalists" to not make errors of description -- but it also has the effect of teaching the beneral public that ALL "long guns" are evil.

I don't think so. Calling out a particular class of long guns is more useful for propaganda purposes.

[230RN]

Yes, I've been hearing "long gun" on local news outlets recently, too.

I was ambivalent when I read about the recommendation to use the term "long gun" rather than any specific model or "assault rifle."

While it enhances accuracy where a specific model is unknown (in the sense of using "dog" instead of "cocker spaniel"), I wasn't sure of how it fit in to the Left's program of reshaping the language  for their own propaganda ends.

While Paranoia is my middle name in some folks' view, I'm not quite ready to say that the advertising impact of "long gun" is either negative or positive.

But I have a constant "what are they up to now?"  attitude about Leftists (Communists), so I'll wait and see how its advertising impact develops. You can call this "paranoia," but I call it "experience."

Terry, 230RN

[230RN]

...Double Post

[WLJ]

Got a feeling it was a AR looking 22.
Getting it from reports of the wounded. Nothing concrete.

[dogmush]

RE: "Long Gun".  Just wait till they discover AR Pistols......


On the caliber, I could buy that based on how many wounded vs. dead.  You'd thing a 5.56 mag dump in a crowded bar would be pretty dang fatal even with shitty marksmanship.  A rimfire would also lend credence to reports that the first several shots were not heard over the music.  .22LR is much quieter than 5.56.

[WLJ]

RE: "Long Gun".  Just wait till they discover AR Pistols......


On the caliber, I could buy that based on how many wounded vs. dead.  You'd thing a 5.56 mag dump in a crowded bar would be pretty dang fatal even with shitty marksmanship.  A rimfire would also lend credence to reports that the first several shots were not heard over the music.  .22LR is much quieter than 5.56.

Here's one example of what is making me think 22.
Guy is in the hospital talking about it. If it was 7 5.56s in the back...I don't think so. But weird stuff happens.

Barrett Hudson took seven bullets in the back but still escaped the Club Q shooting
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/11/21/club-q-shooting-survivor-barrett-hudson-seven-bullets-social-media/

[230RN]

In this case of mass shooting, my rather Darwinian attitude comes into play again.  Give everyone a gun and let the aholes get filtered out of the gene pool by righteous citizens sooner or later.

I call it my "Billy The Kid Theory."  Yeah, he killed a lot of people, but after he was shot at the age of 22, there were no more from that cause.

Ever.

My general principle is that the dangers of infringing on 2A are far greater than the dangers of observing it 100%.

The inventors of our country weren't dummies, even though Darwin hadn't even been born yet.

Terry, 230RN

[RoadKingLarry]

In this case of mass shooting, my rather Darwinian attitude comes into play again.  Give everyone a gun and let the aholes get filtered out of the gene pool by righteous citizens sooner or later.

I call it my "Billy The Kid Theory."  Yeah, he killed a lot of people, but after he was shot at the age of 22, there were no more from that cause.

Ever.
My general principle is that the dangers of infringing on 2A are far greater than the dangers of observing it 100%.

The inventors of our country weren't dummies, even though Darwin hadn't even been born yet.[/b]

Terry, 230RN

The world still had gravity before Isaac Newton was born too.

[Bogie]

Yeah, I'm sort of guessing that he was a known patron...
 
The good thing is that the average nutjob guys the magic gun, and then knowing that it is magic, they just spray and... well, whatever they do...

[230RN]

The world still had gravity before Isaac Newton was born too.

And practiced genetic manipulation for thousands of years.

Since there are no objections to the "Billy The Kid" theory, can we now hold it out as peer-reviewed and suitable for publication?

[WLJ]

This article claims both guns, rifle and handgun, were "ghost" guns.

Multiple sources confirmed to 9Wants to Know that the man who attacked Club Q carried a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun – and that neither had serial numbers nor appeared to have been made by a licensed gun manufacturer.

Club Q suspect carried 'ghost guns' with no serial numbers, sources say
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/club-q-shooting/club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-guns/73-7c1a9d2b-8e91-46a1-82f7-d5e917c58664

While this one says only one was, the rifle, and it was fully automatic

Sources tell FOX31 that the long gun used in the shooting was a ghost gun. It appeared to be fully automatic, sources say, allowing the suspect to fire at least 40 to 50 shots before he was tackled by good Samaritans.

Club Q suspect used ‘ghost gun,’ sources say
https://kdvr.com/news/local/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-gun/

[BobR]

This article claims both guns, rifle and handgun, were "ghost" guns.
Club Q suspect carried 'ghost guns' with no serial numbers, sources say
https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/club-q-shooting/club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-guns/73-7c1a9d2b-8e91-46a1-82f7-d5e917c58664

While this one says one of them was

Club Q suspect used ‘ghost gun,’ sources say
https://kdvr.com/news/local/colorado-club-q-shooting-suspect-ghost-gun/

I get more and more pissed every time I see "ghost gun". Just another media/LEO driven narrative to make people think guns = bad. As we all know, unless unconstitutionally* made illegal at the state level it is fine and dandy to make your own firearms and as long as you keep them they do not need to be serialized. At least that is the way I remember it. I know, preaching to the choir.

bob

*my opinion

[MechAg94]

I get more and more pissed every time I see "ghost gun". Just another media/LEO driven narrative to make people think guns = bad. As we all know, unless unconstitutionally* made illegal at the state level it is fine and dandy to make your own firearms and as long as you keep them they do not need to be serialized. At least that is the way I remember it. I know, preaching to the choir.

bob

*my opinion

The part that gets to me is the "impossible to trace" line that always shows up.  As if normal serial numbered guns are all traced back to the criminal who stole them or committed the crime. 

[Hawkmoon]

Who cares if they can trace it? They have the shooter and they have the gun. What's a trace going to tell them that in any way affects his prosecution?

[Ben]

Oops - narrative shift incoming.

Axios
@axios

Official
JUST IN: Colorado club shooting suspect is non-binary, attorneys say

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/11/23/nbc-news-ben-collins-has-a-club-q-shooter-suspect-update-based-on-new-reports/

[French G.]

Oops - narrative shift incoming.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/11/23/nbc-news-ben-collins-has-a-club-q-shooter-suspect-update-based-on-new-reports/

I called it, you’re welcome.

[WLJ]

Even CNN is reporting it

    CNN panel in a state of confusion after the Club Q killer's lawyers say he's "non-binary" and uses "they/them" pronouns: "I don't know what to say about that" pic.twitter.com/3vtrw4kIn4

    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) November 23, 2022

https://twitchy.com/mikel-313136/2022/11/23/watch-alisyn-camerotas-brain-break-as-she-reports-that-co-shooter-is-non-binary/

They really don't look happy reporting it

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1595372222541361154

They speculate he's trying to get off the hate crime charges. Really what difference would that make?  Hate crime charges or not he's never going to see the light of day outside of prison either way.

He could be faking, don't know

[Ben]

He could be faking, don't know

He seems to have a history, and the MSM is changing the narrative to "caused by online bullying". I'm sure "by white cis kids" is implied.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/21/colorado-springs-qbar-shooter/

[WLJ]

But wait, there's more

it's revealed estranged father is MMA fighter and PORN STAR named 'Dick Delaware'

And he changed his name in 2016

The suspect's original name, however, is Nicholas Franklin Brink before he changed it to Anderson Lee Aldrich in 2016 
According to a petition, the name change was meant 'to protect himself and his future from any connections to birth father,' Aaron Brink 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11459941/Colorado-shooting-suspect-Anderson-Aldrichs-estranged-dad-ex-MMA-turned-porn-star.html

[Bogie]

The usual suspects are spittleshrieking that hate crimes are worserer than murder.

[BobR]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11459941/Colorado-shooting-suspect-Anderson-Aldrichs-estranged-dad-ex-MMA-turned-porn-star.html

Even taking that article with the world's largest grain of sand that "kid" was as farked up as a soup sandwich. It also sounds like he visited Dragonman's to shoot.

Aldrich would regularly attend a gun range were 'rapid fire' was allowed.

bob