Trump Conviction, and...

[Bogie]

I figure the hive mind will know...
 
Was anyone else EVER convicted of the same bullshit they played up in New York? And what perzackly was it?

[MechAg94]

I thought he was accused of over-valuing his property that was the collateral for a loan.  The loaning bank agreed with the value at the time and the loan was paid back in full. 

[Ben]

I don't think anyone else was ever accused or convicted, because the crimes didn't exist until they created (or perhaps "redefined" is the right word) them for Trump.

[MechAg94]

Thinking about it some more, I think the charge was based on fraud statues claiming the valuation was fraudulent.  Any evidence to the contrary was ignored or not allowed.  I think the bank accepted the valuation and there were 3rd party valuations that were in agreement.  I never looked into it very far.

[Brad Johnson]

Thinking about it some more, I think the charge was based on fraud statues claiming the valuation was fraudulent. 

Real statues just sit there doing nothing.

Brad

[RocketMan]

Real statues just sit there doing nothing.

Brad

They have to sit there doing nothing as their main reason for being is pigeon poop targets.

[Northwoods]

The 34 felonies was based on his payment to Stormy Daniel's being considered a campaign finance violation. They found 34 entries (mostly duplicated entries for like 2 or maybe 3 actual payments) to come up with that many charges.  They were all misdemeanors (if even crimes at all).  Statute of limitations had passed for charging as misdemeanors.  So they made them a felony by saying they were tied to an underlying crime.  However, that underlying crime was never defined, let alone charged.  I'm betting, if SCOTUS got the case it would be at least 7-2 in Trump's favor. Brown-Jackson and Sotomayor would vote to uphold the convictions just out of TDS, or not wanting incur the wrath of of the TDS crowd.

[Brad Johnson]

The 34 felonies was based on his payment to Stormy Daniel's being considered a campaign finance violation. They found 34 entries (mostly duplicated entries for like 2 or maybe 3 actual payments) to come up with that many charges.  They were all misdemeanors (if even crimes at all).  Statute of limitations had passed for charging as misdemeanors.  So they made them a felony by saying they were tied to an underlying crime.  However, that underlying crime was never defined, let alone charged.  I'm betting, if SCOTUS got the case it would be at least 7-2 in Trump's favor. Brown-Jackson and Sotomayor would vote to uphold the convictions just out of TDS, or not wanting incur the wrath of of the TDS crowd.

I highly doubt it will get that far. The conviction is likely to fail (and spectacularly so) on first appeal for the reasons you mention.

Brad

[Bogie]

Thanks - stealing to post the 34 stuff at someone who claims that there have been 9800 folks convicted of "business document fraud..."

[JN01]

The 34 felonies was based on his payment to Stormy Daniel's being considered a campaign finance violation. They found 34 entries (mostly duplicated entries for like 2 or maybe 3 actual payments) to come up with that many charges.  They were all misdemeanors (if even crimes at all).  Statute of limitations had passed for charging as misdemeanors.  So they made them a felony by saying they were tied to an underlying crime.  However, that underlying crime was never defined, let alone charged.  I'm betting, if SCOTUS got the case it would be at least 7-2 in Trump's favor. Brown-Jackson and Sotomayor would vote to uphold the convictions just out of TDS, or not wanting incur the wrath of of the TDS crowd.

The Biden DOJ looked at it earlier and found no violations. The judge also instructed the jury that they could decide if there was an underlying campaign violation and that none of them had to agree what that violation was, even though no proof was presented at trial. 

[Perd Hapley]

The alleged real estate fraud was a civil case, unrelated to the hush money criminal case.

[MechAg94]

The real estate fraud was a civil case, unrelated to the hush money criminal case.

Thanks for the correction. 

[JN01]

But the civil prosecution of Trump for real estate fraud  was criminal.