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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #425 on: December 02, 2023, 05:07:28 PM »
According to Gun Jesus, the actual text of the bill bans all semi-autos.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #426 on: December 05, 2023, 09:29:30 AM »
Apparently this guy popped up in my youtube recommendations because of the 18 years old for handguns thing, since his motto seems to be "no guns under 21". He's almost entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/88uh3YOKEZg?feature=share
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #427 on: December 05, 2023, 12:04:42 PM »
According to Gun Jesus, the actual text of the bill bans all semi-autos.

When I get a moment I need to dig into the bill I think there may be disconnect between the flowchart and the actual bill

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #428 on: December 05, 2023, 12:23:27 PM »
Here's Chucky Schumer

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Chuck Schumer
@SenSchumer
This week, I will put the Assault Weapons Ban on the Senate floor.

After I led the passage of the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban 30 years ago, America saw a decrease in mass shootings and gun deaths.

We must stand with the American people and against the gun lobby.
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1731828970335695108

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BREAKING NEWS: US Senate To Force Vote On Assault Weapons Ban & MORE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGspw8AcVBA
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #429 on: December 05, 2023, 05:50:07 PM »
And remember that New Mexico mess?

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The litigation is still ongoing, and as it turns out, so is the governor’s “temporary” declaration. After renewing her public health order in October and November, the governor has once again declared the carry ban will remain in effect at least through the end of the year.
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/04/new-mexico-governors-never-ending-emergency-on-guns-n78004

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #430 on: December 05, 2023, 06:14:45 PM »
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Liberal activists are planning to sue the board of a major US gun manufacturer, alleging that the company’s sale and promotion of AR-15 rifles violated its fiduciary duty and exposed shareholders to unnecessary liability.

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The plaintiffs, including anti-gun activist Sister Judy Byron, are calling for companies to review their operations and take action on public safety concerns related to gun violence. (Trending: Tucker Reveals The Moment He Became A Full-Blown Trump Supporter)

The lawsuit follows pressure on other gun manufacturers to develop safer guns.

Liberal activist shareholders allege that the board of Smith & Wesson “knowingly allowed the Company to become exposed to significant liability for intentionally violating federal, state, and local laws through its manufacturing, marketing, and sales of AR-15 style rifles and similar semiautomatic firearms.”

Liberal Activist Shareholders Set To Sue Smith & Wesson As Part Of ESG Push To Cripple Gun Manufacturers
https://www.analyzingamerica.org/2023/12/717578/

Getting some conflicting info on just who these people are.

Catholic nuns sue Smith & Wesson to halt its assault-style weapons sales
https://www.reuters.com/legal/catholic-nuns-sue-smith-wesson-halt-its-assault-style-weapons-sales-2023-12-05/

Activist Nuns, With Stake in Smith & Wesson, Sue Gun Maker Over AR-15 Rifles
https://www.wsj.com/us-news/activist-nuns-with-stake-in-smith-wesson-sue-gun-maker-over-ar-15-rifles-40759544

And found this about Sister Judy Byron mentioned in the main article

How a Seattle nun led a shareholder revolt against gun makers
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/how-seattle-nun-led-shareholder-revolt-against-gun-makers-n915006

Honesty she sounds more woke communist than Catholic
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #431 on: December 05, 2023, 10:12:51 PM »
I wonder how many of those people bought the stock before S&W made those products. 
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #432 on: December 05, 2023, 10:24:49 PM »
I wonder how many of those people bought the stock before S&W made those products.

My thinking is that they bought it with the intention of pulling this.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #433 on: December 06, 2023, 09:10:11 AM »
Would ban gas operated guns among other things and includes the usual 10rd mag limit.

Sen. King unveils legislation to restrict deadliness of assault weapons
https://www.pressherald.com/2023/11/30/sen-king-unveils-legislation-to-restrict-deadliness-of-assault-weapons/

 Democrats introducing bill regulating mechanisms of rapid-firing weapons
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4335307-senate-democrats-bill-regulating-rapid-firing-weapons/

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BREAKING: LIVE Announcement of Major Gun Control Bill To Ban Gas Operated Rifles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skleUCK1Oso



Here's Chucky Schumer
https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1731828970335695108

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BREAKING NEWS: US Senate To Force Vote On Assault Weapons Ban & MORE!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGspw8AcVBA

Update, supposedly going up for a vote today.

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 BIG UPDATE: New Assault Weapons Ban Vote Attempt Will Happen TODAY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ZXMJ4HXLo

NSSF Responds to Schumer's Planned Gun Ban Vote
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/05/nssf-responds-to-schumers-planned-gun-ban-vote-n78052

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The National Shooting Sports Foundation’s Larry Keane calls Chuck Schumer’s announcement of an imminent vote on the GOSAFE Act a political stunt, but says the bill should still be seen as a legitimate threat to our Second Amendment rights.

Not giving this a super high chance of passing but still will be interesting who vote YA or NAY. Add toi that I don't trust any of them.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #434 on: December 22, 2023, 12:52:15 PM »
Illinois's gun registration is going well

We Will Not Comply: Only .1% of Illinois Gun Owners Have Registered Their Newly Banned Guns So Far
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/we-will-not-comply-only-1-of-illinois-gun-owners-have-registered-their-newly-banned-guns-so-far/

Update
Jan 1 is just around the corner

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So far, gun owners in the Land of Lincoln appear to have been resistant to the demands of the state. According to the Illinois State Police, there’ve been 8,143 gun owners who have complied with the registration mandate to date; fewer than one percent of all Firearm Owner ID card holders in the state. Now, not everyone who possess a FOID card owns one or more of the newly-banned items, but it’s safe to say that compliance has been slow in coming. With the deadline a little more than a week away, the question is now how many gun owners will comply at all.

Here one of the bills author's on that

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    State Rep. Bob Morgan, D-Deerfield, who helped craft the gun and magazine ban that was enacted earlier this year, expects people to comply with the registry requirement, or after Jan. 1., they’ll be criminals.

    “They want to be law-abiding citizens and they want to be consistent with state law and they will register their existing legacy weapons otherwise they’re risking their FOID card,” Morgan said last month. “I think the vast, vast majority of people are just committed to being law-abiding citizens the way they are now.”

Unless there's a sudden mass stampede to register in the next few days there going to be an awful lot of overnight felons in IL

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Registration Deadline Looming for Illinois 'Assault Weapon' Owners
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/22/registration-deadline-looming-for-illinois-assault-weapon-owners-n78689
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #435 on: December 22, 2023, 12:59:39 PM »
Update
Jan 1 is just around the corner

Here one of the bills author's on that

Unless there's a sudden mass stampede to register in the next few days there going to be an awful lot of overnight felons in IL

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Registration Deadline Looming for Illinois 'Assault Weapon' Owners
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/22/registration-deadline-looming-for-illinois-assault-weapon-owners-n78689

Nope.  They are not felons until they are convicted of a felony.  I lot of potential felons, maybe.  I think that's an important point.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #436 on: December 22, 2023, 01:29:25 PM »
CA in the news again. They were supposed to enact a bill with sweeping restrictions on concealed carriers. You know, if you can't keep them from getting s permit then make the permit worthless. Some of the ideas were straight out of NYC.

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It would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban would apply whether the person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon or not. One exception would be for privately owned businesses that put up signs saying people are allowed to bring guns on their premises.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-firearm-ban-temporary-pause-public-spaces-cormac-carney/

But then along come a Judge that calls the law:
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U.S. District Judge Cormac Carney granted a preliminary injunction blocking the law, which he wrote was "sweeping, repugnant to the Second Amendment, and openly defiant of the Supreme Court."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-firearm-ban-temporary-pause-public-spaces-cormac-carney/

The opinion is well thought out and hits nearly, if not all the points legal gun owners have been saying for years.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.898535/gov.uscourts.cacd.898535.45.0.pdf

The court case against the law will proceed while the law is blocked. The judge wrote that gun rights groups are likely to succeed in proving it unconstitutional, meaning it would be permanently overturned.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #437 on: December 22, 2023, 01:32:11 PM »
Nope.  They are not felons until they are convicted of a felony.  I lot of potential felons, maybe.  I think that's an important point.

You know what I meant especially when you got IL lawmakers saying "after Jan. 1., they’ll be criminals."

Anyway however you want to word that it will be interesting to see how IL reacts to mass noncompliance
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #438 on: December 22, 2023, 04:59:35 PM »
Meanwhile

Massachusetts Assault Weapon Ban Ruled Constitutional by Judge
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/litigation/massachusetts-assault-weapon-ban-meets-second-amendment-scrutiny

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The banned weapons “are unreasonably dangerous for ordinary purposes of self-defense due to their extreme lethality and high potential for collateral harm,” Chief Judge Dennis Saylor wrote in an order denying the gun rights group’s request to halt enforcement of the law.
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“The relevant history affirms the principle that in 1791, as now, there was a tradition of regulating ‘dangerous and unusual’ weapons—specifically, those that are not reasonably necessary for self-defense,” the order said, and the current restrictions “pose a minimal burden on the right to self-defense and are comparably justified to historical regulation.”
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“The features of modern assault weapons—particularly the AR-15’s radical increases in muzzle velocity, range, accuracy, and functionality—along with the types of injuries they can inflict are so different from colonial firearms that the two are not reasonably comparable,” the order said.

In other words he thinks the 2A only protects firearms or those similar to firearms that existed when the 2A came in being I guess

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He reads the actual ruling and it's actually worse than the above condense selections in fact twisting to met an agenda would imply

 This Is Bad! Judge: AR 15s Are Dangerous & Unusual Thus NOT Protected By 2nd Amendment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaT3XdhYoAM
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #439 on: December 22, 2023, 09:18:46 PM »
And more bad news from a judge

Federal Judge Denies Injunction Against Illinois 'Assault Weapon' Registration Requirement
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/12/22/federal-judge-denies-injunction-against-illinois-assault-weapon-registration-requirement-n78722
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #440 on: December 22, 2023, 09:30:56 PM »
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This Is Bad! Judge: AR 15s Are Dangerous & Unusual Thus NOT Protected By 2nd Amendment!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaT3XdhYoAM

There is literally zero precedent in the text, history or tradition of the USA for banning "dangerous and unusual" weapons.

English common law prohibited brandishing them "to the terror of the public."

The fiction that "dangerous and unusual" weapons can be banned was invented by the Supreme Court in a misreading of the above to justify machine gun bans.

This fact is plainly documented here:
https://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2825&context=lawreview

There is even a Second Amendment case from Texas in the 19th century that listed siege guns as being protected weapons (English v. State).

The text, history or tradition of the RKBA in the USA clearly states that we have a right to own weapons commonly used in civilized warfare. 

Since the Supreme Court made a ruling containing a blatant falsehood, it is no surprise bigoted judges are taking the lie and running with it.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #441 on: December 22, 2023, 11:37:45 PM »
Part of the problem with the IL-ANNOY ban is that you have to e-sign a form stating that you are registering these items "voluntarily".  The problem is that if you don't, you are threatened with legal persecution.  :facepalm:

Isn't that known as "extortion"??
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #442 on: December 23, 2023, 01:08:19 AM »
Part of the problem with the IL-ANNOY ban is that you have to e-sign a form stating that you are registering these items "voluntarily".  The problem is that if you don't, you are threatened with legal persecution.  :facepalm:

Sure, just like paying your taxes is voluntary.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #443 on: December 23, 2023, 07:03:11 PM »
When the gun "buy back" comes to you

New Mexicans Against Gun Violence apparently had been going door to door in Farmington New Mexico asking people to give up their firearms in exchange for gift cards despite the "buy back" operation being canceled by the city council and the Farmington police dept pulling out. According to the org they actually had some people hand over their firearms including 5 rifles from one home. They are now in legal hot water because due to the police pulling out they could not legally take possession of the firearms. Whoops

I'm not holding my breath on anything actually being done to them.

Whoopsy Daisy: Gun Control Organization Violates New Mexico Law With Gun Buy Back
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/23/gun-buyback-group-violates-mn-law-n2391076
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #444 on: January 04, 2024, 10:51:05 AM »
Good old NBC

Shooting at a HS in Iowa
Okay
But I couldn't help but notice what NBC had to make sure you knew in the What we Know So Far box

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The shooting comes days before the Iowa caucuses, which will kick off the 2024 presidential Republican primary process on Jan. 15.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/live-updates-active-shooting-perry-high-school-rcna132235

Trying to form a mental connection in people's heads between the shooting and Republicans
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #445 on: January 04, 2024, 11:13:52 AM »
When the gun "buy back" comes to you

New Mexicans Against Gun Violence apparently had been going door to door in Farmington New Mexico asking people to give up their firearms in exchange for gift cards despite the "buy back" operation being canceled by the city council and the Farmington police dept pulling out. According to the org they actually had some people hand over their firearms including 5 rifles from one home. They are now in legal hot water because due to the police pulling out they could not legally take possession of the firearms. Whoops

I'm not holding my breath on anything actually being done to them.

Whoopsy Daisy: Gun Control Organization Violates New Mexico Law With Gun Buy Back
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/23/gun-buyback-group-violates-mn-law-n2391076

It's better than that.  Not only did they illegally take possesion of the weapons, they didn't destroy them properly.  In addition, at least some of them were transported across state lines and given to minors in Colorado and New Mexico.

https://youtu.be/mzhi1aYON7w?t=76

That video is a news story in which they brag about providing firearms, that are not flame cut in three places, to high school students.  At the time stamp I linked you can see an SBR'd AK that I bet I could get running again in two hours or so after removing from the xylophone.

You're right they'll probably get away with it, but man they broke all the laws.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #446 on: January 05, 2024, 09:35:19 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/05/us/everytown-study-us-gun-safety-rankings-2023/index.html

In recent years, Washington has implemented all of the 'five foundational laws' recommended by Everytown. Everytown poured a lot of money into the state in recent years and it paid off with legislation being passed.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #447 on: January 05, 2024, 10:53:01 PM »
Trying to form a mental connection in people's heads between the shooting and Republicans.

Except that a local radio program had a news article about the shooting and indicated the shooter was "trans".
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« Reply #448 on: January 05, 2024, 11:35:51 PM »
Except that a local radio program had a news article about the shooting and indicated the shooter was "trans".

That has been brought up, my point was what NBC was trying to do
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #449 on: January 10, 2024, 10:57:48 AM »
Okay folks, how about this?
https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/1723683381718696204

The main article. I think it's suppose to behind a paywall, maybe, but it came right up for me

Army Ammunition Plant Is Tied to Mass Shootings Across the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/army-ammunition-factory-shootings.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

The rest of the article basically go on about how the US govt is provides ammo for murder using mass murders to sell more ammo.
It's pretty long winded, which is typical NYT, and that's probably an understatement.

NY AG among other AGs are running with this

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Ammunition from Lake City is manufactured for military use and does not belong in our communities. Federal courts have repeatedly noted the military nature of 5.56-millimeter rounds, which are used in militaryissued rifles, such as the M-16. Military-style weapons – and the ammunition specifically manufactured for them – should be limited to military use. Even if military-grade ammunition were appropriate for the civilian market, its sale to private parties should not be subsidized by taxpayer dollars.
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In the short term, we ask your Office to investigate the contracting and manufacturing practices that led to so many billions of military-grade rounds being sold into our communities, and to issue a public report with recommendations about how to end the diversion of military ammunition into civilian hands. In the long term, we ask the White House to ensure that future production contracts prohibit the sale of military weapons and ammunition to civilians.

Anti-Gun AGs Take Aim at Lake City Ammo
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/01/10/anti-gun-ags-take-aim-at-lake-city-ammo-n79228

The full letter
https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press-docs/Lake%20City%20Multistate%20Letter-%20FINAL%5B1%5D.pdf

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We write on behalf of the States of New York, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, the District
of Columbia, Hawai‘i, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey,
New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington (the “States”) to express concern about recent
reports that billions of rounds of military-grade ammunition manufactured at the Lake City Army Ammunition
Plant have been sold on the commercial market, leading to their use in many of the most tragic mass shootings
in recent history. We ask your Office to conduct an investigation into the contracting processes that led to this
situation, and to take action to ensure that military-grade and military-subsidized ammunition stays out of
civilian hands.
According to recent reports, the ammunition made at Lake City for our military has been sold to civilians
in mass quantities, leading to these bullets being used in mass shootings, including a shooting in which three
law enforcement officers were killed and multiple school shootings.1 Lake City rounds have become the
ammunition of choice for use in mass shootings, including:

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They Are Coming After 5.56 Ammo Now!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5BT7nHflwc

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