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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #525 on: March 19, 2024, 10:09:48 PM »
Wonder how they’re gonna answer that pesky question on the 4473.

If the ruling survives appeal, they will have to take that question off the 4473, as that portion of 18 USC will be voided.

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“[C]arbajal-Flores has never been convicted of a felony, a violent crime, or a crime involving the use of a weapon. Even in the present case, Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun solely for self-protection and protection of property during a time of documented civil unrest in the Spring of 2020,” Judge Coleman wrote. “Additionally, Pretrial Service has confirmed that Carbajal-Flores has consistently adhered to and fulfilled all the stipulated conditions of his release, is gainfully employed, and has no new arrests or outstanding warrants.”

I believe this ruling also creates a split between districts, so there may end up being more clarification on what groups in the 'prohibited persons" list are constitutional.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #526 on: March 20, 2024, 07:41:08 AM »
Well we had plenty of warning this was coming.
There have been congress critters making noise about having Glocks classified as machine guns as well.
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The City of Chicago and Everytown Law announced we're suing Glock for facilitating the proliferation of illegal machine guns on the streets of Chicago by manufacturing semiautomatic pistols that can easily be converted to fully automatic firing using "Glock switches."
https://twitter.com/Everytown/status/1770167655900868668

Everytown, Along With the City of Chicago, Goes After Glock Inc. and We Need ALL the Popcorn
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2024/03/20/everytown-with-the-city-of-chicago-goes-after-glock-inc-n2394157
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #527 on: March 20, 2024, 08:50:26 AM »
And from Teen Vogue which includes socialist propaganda in between articles on things like "the best lube for that trans date" we have "Gun Capitalism"

Teen Vogue Blames 'Gun Capitalism' For Violence
https://bearingarms.com/tomknighton/2024/03/19/teen-vogue-blames-gun-capitalism-for-violence-n1224237

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #528 on: March 20, 2024, 09:26:19 AM »
Convicted vs. Not Convicted.

I also tend to agree with the judge here. Where the Constitution means "Citizen" it says so. Where it says "People" it means everyone.

Valid point on the convicted vs not convicted. I'm wondering if convicted felons who served their sentence could use the judge's argument to regain their 2nd Amendment rights?
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #529 on: March 20, 2024, 11:14:38 AM »
And in other news, this time from the 9th Circuit.;

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A federal appeals court on Monday ruled that barring defendants out on bail from possessing firearms while they are awaiting trial was constitutional even after a landmark U.S. Supreme Court ruling in 2022 that expanded gun rights.

This seems to contradict the other ruling. If the illegals have been given a court date aren't they essentially the same as those out on bail?

The way my mind works, if they are illegally in the country and the .gov has given them a court date to plead their case then they are essentially out on bail, even if no cash or OR. So according to one panel they cannot possess firearms yet on the other hand the other judge say go right ahead. Another one that will end up with the USSC?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-appeals-court-upholds-gun-bans-bail-condition-2024-03-18/#:~:text=March%2018%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,2022%20that%20expanded%20gun%20rights.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #530 on: March 20, 2024, 11:25:54 AM »
IMO, the answer is they shouldn't be allowed in the country until their court date. 

Aside from that, you shouldn't lose any rights until convicted.  And regain them after time served.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #531 on: March 21, 2024, 09:35:57 AM »
And in other news, this time from the 9th Circuit.;

This seems to contradict the other ruling. If the illegals have been given a court date aren't they essentially the same as those out on bail?

The way my mind works, if they are illegally in the country and the .gov has given them a court date to plead their case then they are essentially out on bail, even if no cash or OR. So according to one panel they cannot possess firearms yet on the other hand the other judge say go right ahead. Another one that will end up with the USSC?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-appeals-court-upholds-gun-bans-bail-condition-2024-03-18/#:~:text=March%2018%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20A,2022%20that%20expanded%20gun%20rights.

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I haven't researched Mr. Carbajal-Flores' immigration status, and his case was from back in 2020 so it might not follow the current immigration debacle's flusterlcuck SOP, but it's important to remember that after a criminal alien has applied for asylum, and that application has been received by the .gov, and processed to the point of a hearing date, and the asylum seeker being granted permission to move farther into the country, that individual is no longer in the country illegally.  The have explicit permission from the US Government to remain in the US, work (in most cases), and do all the other things "the people" can do.  Even if they originally entered the US illegally, once the asylum process has begun, they are not illegally present in the US.  That's exactly why we used to make them wait out their asylum claim in their own country.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #532 on: March 21, 2024, 02:39:54 PM »
I also tend to agree with the judge here. Where the Constitution means "Citizen" it says so. Where it says "People" it means everyone.

The early USA had gun bans for some non-citizen groups (blacks, Indians) in some places.  This went unchallenged as far as I know.  So, perhaps the Second was only intended for citizens.

I personally don't care if non-criminal aliens have guns.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #533 on: March 22, 2024, 07:13:27 AM »
Now we got "Zombie" guns and of course that means there's a "Zombie" gun loop hole that "needs" to be closed

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    The Zombie Gun Loophole is a problematic way that guns can end up in the hands of those responsible for gun violence. We must close this loophole and destroy zombie guns now. Every life lost to gun violence is one too many. pic.twitter.com/vtawLCCJWj
    — Congressman Maxwell Alejandro Frost (@RepMaxwellFrost) March 21, 2024

What is a "Zombie" gun you may ask?

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Now 'zombie guns' really aren't all that different from 'ghost guns.' The parts are the result of gun disposal companies only destroying single pieces of guns seized by the police, or from a police officer who retired and turned in their service weapon, and even from gun 'buy-back' programs and then reselling the remaining pieces either separately or as kits that can then become 'ghost guns'.

So yeah
Another imaginary problem to deflect from the real problem

Ghost Guns Weren't Scary Enough, so Maxwell Frost has a New Boogeyman: ZOMBIE GUNS
https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2024/03/22/zombie-guns-maxwell-frost-n2394258
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #534 on: March 22, 2024, 08:29:07 AM »
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    As Frost explained, guns that are retired, seized or bought back by law-enforcement agencies are routinely sent to gun-disposal companies to be destroyed. However, for the firearms to be considered legally destroyed, only one piece, like the receiver or frame, needs to be crushed or otherwise destroyed. Some companies, like industry leader Gun Busters, then take the remaining functional parts and sell them as part of build-it-yourself kits used to make untraceable “ghost” guns.

    Under the Destroy Zombie Guns Act, gun-disposal companies would be required to destroy the entire firearm, not just a single piece.

Apparently they're running with the narrative this somehow makes the guns untraceable. WTF?

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“We cannot allow this mass proliferation of guns to continue to allow violent criminals and anyone who poses a threat to society in our community to continue to be walking around with an untraceable gun right here in our communities, in our schools, near our homes, near our children,” Tokuda said. “It’s really that simple. Without action, without passage of a bill like this, more about actors would easily be able to do exactly that—procure a gun and sadly to use it in ways that we have seen are absolutely destructive to communities, to families and our loved ones.”

Anti-2A Activists Have a New Target: 'Zombie Guns'
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/03/21/anti-2a-activists-have-a-new-target-zombie-guns-n1224281

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #535 on: March 23, 2024, 10:59:08 AM »
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #536 on: March 25, 2024, 01:15:00 PM »
Florida Sheriff to an identified homeowner who shot at a burglar and missed (paraphrased): "We have a gun safety class you can take to shoot better so you can shoot home invaders and save the taxpayers some money."  :rofl:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1771917270140260608

EDIT: It's apparently from 2022, but making the rounds again for some reason.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #537 on: March 29, 2024, 04:49:12 PM »
Exactly what "evidence" is Glock supposed to preserve here? This is akin to telling a car manufacturer to "preserve evidence" because somebody installed a nitrous bottle in their car.

https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/03/29/keith-ellison-doubles-down-on-stupid-claims-modified-glocks-can-fire-1200-rounds-per-minute-n2394537
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #538 on: April 09, 2024, 11:54:01 AM »
Colorado legislature is considering a bill that would require gun owners to purchase liability insurance.  Here is one person's (he/him) input:

https://twitter.com/scottnicoleshow/status/1777385597797290022
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« Reply #539 on: April 09, 2024, 12:01:07 PM »
Same judge was not done

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U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez has delivered another blow to California’s gun control regime, striking down the state statute that imposes background checks on every ammunition sale in the state while prohibiting California residents from bringing ammunition purchased elsewhere back home; declaring it to be a violation of both the Second Amendment and the Constitution’s dormant Commerce Clause.

'Saint' Benitez Strikes Down California Ammunition Background Check Law
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/01/31/saint-benitez-strikes-down-california-ammunition-background-check-law-n79997

This could be fun for use in case law later to dismantle bans on interstate private transfers, or bans on purchasing handguns while not in your home State.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #540 on: April 09, 2024, 02:51:39 PM »
https://apnews.com/article/gun-ammunition-magazine-ban-washington-state-2ac2204eb069a3bf6f40f29250fa124b

The Washington high capacity magazine ban was lifted by judicial order, but the state AG filed an emergency appeal and the ban was reinstated.  There were allegedly lines at LGS as people frantically bought magazines in the hour that the ban was lifted and before it was reinstated.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #542 on: April 09, 2024, 03:31:29 PM »

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #543 on: April 10, 2024, 12:36:21 PM »
CHICAGO'S FIGHT AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE: FEDERAL PROSECUTORS APPROVE FEWER GUN CHARGES DESPITE SURGE IN SEIZED FIREARMS
https://hoodline.com/2024/04/chicago-s-fight-against-gun-violence-federal-prosecutors-approve-fewer-gun-charges-despite-surge-in-seized-firearms/

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federal prosecutors in the Windy City have been taking a conservative stance, approving less gun charges compared to their peers across the nation.

Essentially, while complaining about being awash in guns, the feds in Chicago are not prosecuting the charges. 
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #544 on: April 10, 2024, 12:40:38 PM »
CHICAGO'S FIGHT AGAINST GUN VIOLENCE: FEDERAL PROSECUTORS APPROVE FEWER GUN CHARGES DESPITE SURGE IN SEIZED FIREARMS
https://hoodline.com/2024/04/chicago-s-fight-against-gun-violence-federal-prosecutors-approve-fewer-gun-charges-despite-surge-in-seized-firearms/

Essentially, while complaining about being awash in guns, the feds in Chicago are not prosecuting the charges.

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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #545 on: April 10, 2024, 12:52:35 PM »
All a money grab isn't it.  This was just recently.

Attorney General Merrick Garland announces $78 million for violence prevention
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/video/attorney-general-merrick-garland-announces-78-million-for-violence-prevention/

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Chicago police say crime rates are dropping. A new boost from the federal government might add to the effort to keep those numbers down. The Justice Department has announced a nearly $80 million investment to help prevent violent crime.
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #546 on: April 10, 2024, 12:54:31 PM »
"Chicago police say crime rates are dropping."

How much if that due to them not prosecuting charges and decriminalizing many crimes?
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #547 on: April 11, 2024, 07:03:26 PM »
The BATFE has issued a new rule restricting private sales.  Seems to be leaving them a lot of wiggle room to say even selling one firearm as an individual puts you in the business of selling firearms (illegally without an FFL).  Guns & Gadgets and John Crump did livestreams reviewing the rule.  I haven't listened to the GunCollective's video yet. 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUDa9Pb9tj8

John Crump News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlicd7H2CY

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nf0O1xElSE
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #548 on: April 13, 2024, 12:57:10 PM »
Am I missing something or is this just an invitation for people to do more horse trading when selling a gun?
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Re: Gun Control Watch
« Reply #549 on: April 13, 2024, 01:04:25 PM »
Am I missing something or is this just an invitation for people to do more horse trading when selling a gun?
One of the videos I listened to said the rule covered trading for anything of value. 

I think they are just trying to force everything through FFL's while they also try to reduce the number of FFL's.  Backdoor "close the gun show loophole".  And one of my Senators helped pass the law that opened the door for this.
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