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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2023, 09:36:43 AM »
Remington introduces ANOTHER new proprietary cartridge, the 360 Buckhammer

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/remington-ammunition-360-buckhammer-cartridge/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)

It's basically a straight wall case 1.8" long with a .358" bullet for use in lever guns in states that only allow straight wall cases for hunting. Think either a stretched .357 Maximum or a shortened 360 Nitro Express, the latter originally being an old BP round from the late 1800s. Ballistically it looks just fine for deer at modest ranges, but I predict commercial success on a par with the 375 Winchester, 300 SAUM, 9mm Federal, and Remington's own EtronX rifle.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2023, 10:18:49 AM »
Remington introduces ANOTHER new proprietary cartridge, the 360 Buckhammer

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/remington-ammunition-360-buckhammer-cartridge/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)

It's basically a straight wall case 1.8" long with a .358" bullet for use in lever guns in states that only allow straight wall cases for hunting. Think either a stretched .357 Maximum or a shortened 360 Nitro Express, the latter originally being an old BP round from the late 1800s. Ballistically it looks just fine for deer at modest ranges, but I predict commercial success on a par with the 375 Winchester, 300 SAUM, 9mm Federal, and Remington's own EtronX rifle.
Looks like it is just competition for the 350 Legend. 

The article mentions a lot of states require straight wall cartridges.  I thought that was only one or two states.  How many states have that requirement? 
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2023, 10:24:58 AM »
Looks like it is just competition for the 350 Legend. 

The article mentions a lot of states require straight wall cartridges.  I thought that was only one or two states.  How many states have that requirement?

I think Indiana does.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2023, 10:29:33 AM »
I think Indiana does.

I believe Ohio does as well
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2023, 01:31:57 PM »
PSA is coming out with an Stg 44 rifle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk

They said it would come in 4 different calibers.  Has changes:  They said the magazine was redesigned and there is a take down method to swap barrels. 

I am not sure, but I know there was a guy trying to recreate the Stg 44.  Is this that guy or did they buy that design?  He mentioned people who had pre-ordered a rifle from another company would get a rifle with that company's name.  I don't remember the details.  The company I remember was 6 or 7 years ago I think.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2023, 03:07:29 PM »
PSA is coming out with an Stg 44 rifle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk

They said it would come in 4 different calibers.  Has changes:  They said the magazine was redesigned and there is a take down method to swap barrels. 

I am not sure, but I know there was a guy trying to recreate the Stg 44.  Is this that guy or did they buy that design?  He mentioned people who had pre-ordered a rifle from another company would get a rifle with that company's name.  I don't remember the details.  The company I remember was 6 or 7 years ago I think.

Dammit. My heritage demands that I buy one of these.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2023, 04:04:58 PM »
There was a company that supposedly planned to make a sort of Bullpup, Topbreak 357 revolver with an enclosed cylinder.  Did they actually bring that thing to SHOT?
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2023, 04:14:33 PM »
There was a company that supposedly planned to make a sort of Bullpup, Topbreak 357 revolver with an enclosed cylinder.  Did they actually bring that thing to SHOT?

The Zenk .357.

A quick DuckDuck showed they are at SHOT show, but no actual pictures of the revolver, just renderings.

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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2023, 04:37:18 PM »
There was a company that supposedly planned to make a sort of Bullpup, Topbreak 357 revolver with an enclosed cylinder.  Did they actually bring that thing to SHOT?
The closest I have seen before is Taylor & Co has a Scoffield model in 44 special.  Not cheap.  I still want one.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2023, 05:29:44 PM »
PSA is coming out with an Stg 44 rifle this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWt_x22nwjk

They said it would come in 4 different calibers.  Has changes:  They said the magazine was redesigned and there is a take down method to swap barrels. 

I am not sure, but I know there was a guy trying to recreate the Stg 44.  Is this that guy or did they buy that design?  He mentioned people who had pre-ordered a rifle from another company would get a rifle with that company's name.  I don't remember the details.  The company I remember was 6 or 7 years ago I think.

Everyone that needs an Stg-44 raise your hand!!



(I kid, I kinda want one.)

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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2023, 08:23:14 PM »
I want one in 7.26x39.  Wonder what that makes me?   =D
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2023, 08:34:12 PM »
Remington introduces ANOTHER new proprietary cartridge, the 360 Buckhammer

https://www.ammoland.com/2023/01/remington-ammunition-360-buckhammer-cartridge/?ct=t(RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN)

It's basically a straight wall case 1.8" long with a .358" bullet for use in lever guns in states that only allow straight wall cases for hunting. Think either a stretched .357 Maximum or a shortened 360 Nitro Express, the latter originally being an old BP round from the late 1800s. Ballistically it looks just fine for deer at modest ranges, but I predict commercial success on a par with the 375 Winchester, 300 SAUM, 9mm Federal, and Remington's own EtronX rifle.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/18/360-buckhammer/
I saw this link and looked closer.  This round is a rimmed cartridge made from straightening out a 30-30.  So this is more of a lever action round.  It said Henry is chambering a few models in it. 

180 grain bullet at 2400 fps doesn't sound too bad.  That sounds like a step up from 30-30 as well as 35 Remington. 

Does that compare well with 444 Marlin or others?
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2023, 08:43:30 PM »
Classic Firearms is posting their SHOT show videos on their "outside the warehouse" channel.  1 hour and 20 minutes for part 1 of day one. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NMNxkKlrto

On Rumble too.
https://rumble.com/v2615bm-january-17-2023.html
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2023, 11:17:20 PM »
The REAL Underfolder Zastava M70 is Here!
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/18/shot-2023-real-underfolder-zastava-m70/

Folding stocks were mentioned previously.  I have never had an underfolder AK, but I always wanted to get one.  I have heard they are overrated and uncomfortable to shoot.  Doesn't stop me from wanting one.  Not sure if Zastava is the best option for something I might not like in the end.  PSA makes one.  Classic Firearms sells a Pioneer Arms model in 5.56 which might be a better shooter (?). 
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2023, 07:10:20 AM »
A view through that Holosun Thermal.  The overlay looks pretty cool.

https://twitter.com/TopShotDustin/status/1615879631214907397?s=20&t=zE4nMLNjntJRsznFKe1M8g

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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2023, 07:57:16 AM »
A view through that Holosun Thermal.  The overlay looks pretty cool.

https://twitter.com/TopShotDustin/status/1615879631214907397?s=20&t=zE4nMLNjntJRsznFKe1M8g

I'm still blown away at the price. That makes it extremely tempting.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2023, 08:07:07 AM »
Hold the phone

 B&T is Importing the FEG Dragunov!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xe-SClCfHU
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2023, 08:12:11 AM »
The FN 510 is interesting to me as well.  I’m a big 10MM fan so I’ll have to take a look at that FN version.

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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2023, 09:02:43 AM »
Hold the phone

 B&T is Importing the FEG Dragunov!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xe-SClCfHU

~$6000  ???   :O

I guess all those AK forum people who were ticked off at MAC can now get upset with B&T since they aren't selling them for $1500.   =)
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2023, 09:19:17 AM »
~$6000  ???   :O

I guess all those AK forum people who were ticked off at MAC can now get upset with B&T since they aren't selling them for $1500.   =)

Hit Gunbroker for the going price on an SVD, and that $6k looks pretty reasonable.  I get my combloc DMR fix with my PSL just fine.

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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2023, 09:34:22 AM »
Looks like it is just competition for the 350 Legend . . .
And aside from a few thousandths of an inch bullet diameter, the 350 Legend is basically a "magnumized" version (longer case, higher pressure) of the old .351 WSL and it's lesser known predecessor, the .35 WSL.

Hold the phone

 B&T is Importing the FEG Dragunov!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xe-SClCfHU
With the gap between the front of the trigger guard and the back of the magazine, it looks like it was built on a proper long (PKM type?) action rather than a modified AK action. Wondering how they imported it - I'm not sure about import requirements today, but don't rifles like that need some "domestic content" to be importable? 922(r) and all that nonsense?

People I've spoken to who ought to be in the know (including an armorer for a National Guard rifle team) have said the accuracy of even genuine Soviet Dragunovs was actually "unimpressive" in that most wouldn't hold 2 MOA even with good ammo. $6000 is an awful lot for one of these - were I spending something like that on a new gun, it would probably need two tax stamps - a semi-automatic HKMP5SD clone.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2023, 09:40:20 AM »
With the gap between the front of the trigger guard and the back of the magazine, it looks like it was built on a proper long (PKM type?) action rather than a modified AK action. Wondering how they imported it - I'm not sure about import requirements today, but don't rifles like that need some "domestic content" to be importable? 922(r) and all that nonsense?

People I've spoken to who ought to be in the know (including an armorer for a National Guard rifle team) have said the accuracy of even genuine Soviet Dragunovs was actually "unimpressive" in that most wouldn't hold 2 MOA even with good ammo. $6000 is an awful lot for one of these - were I spending something like that on a new gun, it would probably need two tax stamps - a semi-automatic HKMP5SD clone.
Would it qualify as a sporting rifle being so long and with a relatively low capacity magazine? 

I think you are right on the accuracy.  MAC did a review of the Dragunovs that were imported a year or more ago.  They are not sub MOA, but the combloc collectors still want them. 
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2023, 09:59:21 AM »
With the gap between the front of the trigger guard and the back of the magazine, it looks like it was built on a proper long (PKM type?) action rather than a modified AK action. Wondering how they imported it - I'm not sure about import requirements today, but don't rifles like that need some "domestic content" to be importable? 922(r) and all that nonsense?

The SVD is it's own firearm.  It has a specific milled receiver that the FEG clones appear to have copied.  It's not a modification of another weapon or type.  On imports the video mentions it ships with an "uninstalled muzzle device".  Without counting parts I'd bet between that, no bayo lug, and small magazines it's allowed to be brought in as a sporting gun.  Thread that flash hider on, and you may need to start counting 922(r) parts.

People I've spoken to who ought to be in the know (including an armorer for a National Guard rifle team) have said the accuracy of even genuine Soviet Dragunovs was actually "unimpressive" in that most wouldn't hold 2 MOA even with good ammo. $6000 is an awful lot for one of these - were I spending something like that on a new gun, it would probably need two tax stamps - a semi-automatic HKMP5SD clone.

They are semi-meh.  Remember they are DMR rifles, not Sniper rifles.  With good ammo they are minute of torso out to 800 or so. Remember also the PSO-1 is only a 4 power scope.  I shot a couple mags through an SVD in Iraq, and it was nice enough for a DMR role.  As a lefty I found the ergos to be a hot mess.
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2023, 10:09:01 AM »
Yep, DMR.
All the tests I've seen expect ~2-3 MOA which is fine the the task they were/are made for.

Darn sexy looking rifle though.
Still kicking myself in the butt to this day or not buying the one I had in my hands at a gun show right after they started arriving here and before the import ban. A full on Russian with all accessories in a crate for $550
 
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Re: New Guns for 2023
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2023, 01:58:47 PM »
I'm still blown away at the price. That makes it extremely tempting.
I thought it was cool too.  Looks like max range is 68m, though, which seems a little tight.