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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2023, 07:44:22 PM »
Just listened to the video.  Interesting take on it.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2023, 08:38:08 PM »
Didn't catch, if they even mentioned it, that it was the Deputy Dir saying that.

A really short video that may explain it a bit clearer

 ALERT! ATF Deputy Director tells GOA: NICS "Pistol Brace" auto-denial triggers ATF "enforcement"...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfMjV9uxlPs
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2023, 11:45:27 PM »
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2023, 08:20:09 AM »
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2023, 11:25:22 AM »
I am intrigued that this hasn't actually been published in the Federal Register yet.  It should have only taken a day or two.....

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2023, 12:58:45 PM »
I am intrigued that this hasn't actually been published in the Federal Register yet.  It should have only taken a day or two.....

Hopefully someone in the ATF chain of command said “what the hell” and put a hold on it…..  [tinfoil]

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2023, 01:56:08 PM »
I dunno, they've been chewing on this long enough if their internal chain of command was going to do that, they would have.  The AG and CinC have directed them to do something about the rash of scary short guns on the YouTubez, so I think it's still coming.

I just find it interesting.  Supposedly the copy we have is the one that was signed by the AG on 13 Jan.  The ATF said they transmitted it to the Government Printing Office last Friday.  The Register is published daily, and normally the GPO doesn't sit on these things, so where's the rule?  Is GPO just being slow?  Did ATF not get it in the email on Friday?

I wouldn't hold my breath for a last minute reprieve, but it's interesting to me that it's delayed.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2023, 02:05:15 PM »
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2023, 02:19:59 PM »
Well, they have to publish it for that to work.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2023, 02:53:30 PM »

I wouldn't hold my breath for a last minute reprieve, but it's interesting to me that it's delayed.


This.

They were so in a lather about getting this done, but suddenly it's being slowed-walked to the FR? Something is up. I wonder if a bunch of conservative reps beginning to flex their newly-appointed committee chairships might be influencing the process.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #60 on: January 21, 2023, 08:41:16 PM »
According to this included in this new rule anything that has been imported that has had a brace put on it will have to be destroyed or surrendered to the ATF


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The new ATF brace rule will force the destruction of many imported pistols according to FRAC. Here is a link to FRAC's discovery of this hidden bomb in the new brace rule. 

BREAKING NEWS: New ATF brace rule forces destruction of imported pistols!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK4gJeJ_CI4
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #61 on: January 21, 2023, 08:50:20 PM »
That's important nuance that needs to be considered.  I don't have any imported pistols so I wasn't tracking it, but MAC is being a little over the top.

You need to make the rifle 922(r) compliant if you register it. That doesn't  necessarily mean destroy or surrender,  but it may be a challenge to find US made parts for some designs.

Still, that's an important point to remember.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #62 on: January 21, 2023, 10:02:06 PM »
Here's The Yankee Marshal basically calling BS on what everyone else is saying about the rule change.

Pistol Brace Registration Truths...and Lies! (and the Liars Telling Them!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiPk8zQvMr8
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2023, 10:47:02 PM »
I, for one, am immensely grateful that our overlords in the BATFE have seen fit to construct a final rule that is so crystal clear that all previous confusion has been totally resolved and eliminated.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2023, 08:36:20 AM »
More from TYM.
Not endorsing anything he says here just passing it along.

GOA's (and Their Paid Shills) Lies About 922R Compliance Exposed!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egAbEtRgGNg
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2023, 09:44:22 AM »
He is such an ahole.  Whatever useful infor (and he does have some) his videos contained are buried behind a 5 min "I'm awesome, people I don't like are evil, and you're stupid" intro.

On the subject of the video, GOA is correct that 922(r) applies to SBRs, but not pistols, so there are a number of imported pistols out there that are prohibited from being made into rifles.  Of course it's also prohibited to have an unregistered SBR. 

The trick is in when exactly the rifle was "made". 

If you bought a Skorpion EVO pistol with brace installed, it looks like that is going to be 922(r) non compliant because it was (according to the ATF) a crypto-sbr during it's importation.

If you bought an imported pistol, and installed the brace yourself then You are the person making the crypto-sbr at that time, and the only way to make it 922(r) compliant would be to have swapped out enough of the (unmarked and undated) 922 compliance parts prior to installing the stock.

BUT here's what 922(r) actually says:

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It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to—
(1)the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2)the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

You can't assemble a 9221(r) non-compliant rifle.  It says nothing about possessing one.  So there's no legal reason that you can't register  (if you want) your 922(r) non-compliant rifle, especially if you didn't assemble it.  ATF does say in the final rule (the responding to comments about costs associated with the rule) that "ATF assumes this group may use another scenario, such as destroying the firearm or turning it in to ATF, by using the population derived from bump-stock-type devices as a proxy"  but assuming is not a requirement.  ATF says themselves that the criminal act was the "assembly" into a rifle, not the possession of the rifle.

ATF may decline to register a 922(r) non-compliant rifle, but I'll bet good money they won't because if they don't register the rifle, then everyone that has an imported pistol with a brace that they didn't install now has standing to sue.  That's just my opinion though.

Clear as mud. right?

Also:  https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/search?conditions%5Bpublication_date%5D%5Bgte%5D=12%2F25%2F2022&conditions%5Bterm%5D=stabilizing+brace

Still not there.......

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #66 on: January 26, 2023, 05:17:29 PM »
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Guns & Gadgets
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FYI…ATF Final Rule to hit Federal Register on January 31, 2023 meaning 120th day would be Wednesday May 31, 2023.
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxI5wTsIF-wXp6liimyPevZGmxMi6RmlEa
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #67 on: January 26, 2023, 09:46:12 PM »
According to Guns & Gadgets the ATF may also be targeting PGO shotguns like the Mossberg Shockwave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZd10QDu4Dk
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