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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2023, 07:59:45 AM »
I'd be really interested in the number of brace Form 1s submitted so far.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2023, 08:08:29 AM »
I'd be really interested in the number of brace Form 1s submitted so far.

It seems like the majority of guntuber* videos are saying to wait or do the "will not comply" thing. I think there are good reasons to wait, which is what I'm doing.

I might do "will not comply". My state will surely refuse to comply with the feds, so then it comes down to how many cops the feds have to go into every gun range in every town in every state looking for non-compliance. I still worry about looking over my shoulder, but if we're doing the math, there's probably less than a 1% chance for most of us to have an ATF guy walk up to us at the range. Even less of a chance to have them come knocking on your door if you're in a state where you can skip the NICS check.



*Obviously the majority of these guys have no legal expertise, but they probably do influence a lot of decisions.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2023, 08:19:58 AM »
“Will not comply” doesn’t bother the AFT a bit. Tons of people didn’t and don’t comply with the NFA. They don’t bother chasing everyone down with an illegal machine gun or who has taped a soda bottle to their .22. If not defeated in court (which seems unbelievable in the era of Bruen) - by someone who does the civil disobedience thing instead of the “do not comply” thing - it will just be another add-on charge they hit people with who are having their weapons seized for something else, or something used by snitches to justify their sweetheart plea deals.

For the AFT, lawbreakers are their customers. In some cases more literally, in others more figuratively.

All I can say is that if you do get busted for your illegal arm brace, don’t take the plea deal they offer. This will only be fixed by the courts when someone risks serious jail time in a trial. If you don’t get busted, find someone who is serving as a test case and fund their defense.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2023, 08:26:18 AM »
it will just be another add-on charge they hit people with who are having their weapons seized for something else, or something used by snitches to justify their sweetheart plea deals.

True. We have been in Atlas Shrugged territory on this for more than guns for some time now. We are already every one of us, felons.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2023, 05:51:23 PM »
The NRA just dropped their lawsuit, with co-plaintiffs SB Tactical and 25 states.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nra-25-states-sue-biden-atf-stop-arbitrary-unlawful-pistol-brace-rule

I have to add (again) that I do not like these lawsuits that use disabled veterans and others to push this "they're for the disabled" crap. It's going to come back and bite us in the ass if whichever lawsuit is won on those grounds.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2023, 06:45:45 PM »
At this point, no one should be able deny braces are in common use, for what it is worth.  Probably nothing.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2023, 06:49:12 PM »
What about people that don't keep up with the latest gun news? ATF going to start throwing them in jail after 120 days for not following the news? You know there are some out there unaware that their gun now needs to be registered within 120 days.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2023, 06:51:58 PM »
What about people that don't keep up with the latest gun news? ATF going to start throwing them in jail after 120 days for not following the news?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Unless you are a cop charged with enforcing the law.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2023, 06:54:22 PM »
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Unless you are a cop charged with enforcing the law.

But in this case ignorance of a change of a law
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2023, 06:55:25 PM »
Knock Knock
We changed the law, you're now a felon.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2023, 08:14:24 PM »
Knock Knock
We changed the law, you're now a felon.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2023, 08:34:36 PM »

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2023, 07:36:20 AM »
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2023, 07:37:38 AM »
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #91 on: April 20, 2023, 05:10:43 PM »
I just saw this, supposedly tweeted from the House Judiciary Committee. I haven't found anything on the MSM sites yet. Nor do I know what it means. I suspect not much.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2023, 06:44:57 PM »
I just saw this, supposedly tweeted from the House Judiciary Committee. I haven't found anything on the MSM sites yet. Nor do I know what it means. I suspect not much.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/04/20/keith-olbermann-notes-the-second-amendment-doesnt-protect-the-right-to-own-a-firearm/

A bit more info:  https://rollcall.com/2023/04/20/house-committee-advances-disapproval-resolution-on-gun-rule/
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2023, 09:43:29 PM »
Interesting testimony by the ATF Director. Thomas Massie is showing him the original brace that the ATF used for the "it's okay to use" rule. This guy should be working at a shoe store somewhere, not directing the ATF.

https://youtu.be/9pveteocUpE
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #94 on: April 26, 2023, 09:58:45 PM »
Watched some of the hearing via Twitter and yea, they gave him a hard time but I’m betting nothing is gonna change on the brace front or the searchable records

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #95 on: April 26, 2023, 11:25:35 PM »
Interesting testimony by the ATF Director. Thomas Massie is showing him the original brace that the ATF used for the "it's okay to use" rule. This guy should be working at a shoe store somewhere, not directing the ATF.

https://youtu.be/9pveteocUpE

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #96 on: April 27, 2023, 08:02:37 AM »
Watched some of the hearing via Twitter and yea, they gave him a hard time but I’m betting nothing is gonna change on the brace front or the searchable records

Yeah, I wouldn't trust anything he said. In that same clip, he said that they "made it easy" on gun owners in that all they had to do was separate the brace from the gun, and that they wouldn't go after anyone who had both a brace an a gun in their home, "other than for intent". Which means that when they want, they will consider "intent" as having a brace and a gun that can take a brace in your home.
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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #97 on: April 27, 2023, 08:20:48 AM »
If you say something that pisses them off, they will find you had intent.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #98 on: May 23, 2023, 11:02:25 PM »
Some injunction news coming out today.  Not a blanket injunction so we will see.

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Re: The ATF Pistol Brace Rule
« Reply #99 on: May 24, 2023, 10:07:02 AM »
^^^

Every guntube channel seems to have dropped a "devastating to the ATF" video about this in the last 24 hours, but for the life of me (IANAL), I can't see where it's any major win. Personally, I think we're going to need to wait for the lawsuits that drop after the deadline to see if anything good will happen.
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